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"Rick" <rauth567@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<c5pa85$4e805$1@ID-124161.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> I am using Pagemaker 7 on XP pro, and have been using Univers as the
> "official corporate font" for 11 years. The Univers Type 1 font set from
> Adobe comes with 8 pfb files,  UVL, UV, UVB, UVBL and the 4 oblique files.
> 
> In XP's Font Viewer, both the Univers Light and the Univers Bold files show
> with the same title, Univers 45 Light (Type 1).
> The Univers and Univers Black files have the same title, Univers 55 (Type
> 1).
> 
> In pagemaker, only 45 and 55 are listed as available fonts. I have to bold
> and italicize them. Strangely, in Photoshop 7, all 4 weights are listed.
> 
> My print shop has recently installed a new Heidelberg direct to plate
> system, driven by a PC (at least for my files, he has a Mac too) and the
> printer has difficulty producing my pubs with the bolding applied. They all
> come out as very loose, normal weight. He says I need actual 65 and 75
> weight font files, which do not seem to exist in the PC world.
> I managed to work around the problem for now by providing him with hires pdf
> files.
> Is there a setting somewhere on the imagesetter driver to accept or ignore
> stylized weights?
> Would this problem go away if I migrated to InDesign?

At the end of this I've pasted the text file that accompanies the
Univers fonts in Adobe Font Folio 9.

Basically, the individual "Font names" are Univers 45, 55, 65, 75
(light, roman, bold, black). [Photoshop is apparently using these.]
Adobe have given these Windows "menu names" grouping them into two
familes, "Univers 45" and "Univers 55". So "Univers 45, bold" is
actually (or should be) the font named Univers 65; and "Univers 55,
bold" is actually "Univers 75". Most Windows apps should see these
names.

So you have all the fonts you need, you just have to make sure the
software uses them.  This is a PageMaker question, really.

I loaded these fonts and they appear to work okay in PageMaker 6.5 and
Win 98.

The other question is what files are you giving the output people?
PageMaker files? If so, it's possible they haven't got the fonts
installed correctly on their system.

You can solve a lot of font issues if you can make PDF files on your
PC and give that with the fonts embedded. If you rely on the output
people to make adjustments (replacing images, etc) that can make it
more difficult for them though.

Otherwise, there are many PageMaker forums you might seek advice.
EG: <http://www.adobe.com/support/forums/main.html>,
or the general prepress newsgroup comp.publish.prepress

UNIVERS.TXT FILE================
Package Univers

As a student in Zurich, Adrian Frutiger began work on Univers, which
would
eventually be released in 1957 by the Deberny & Peignot foundry in
Paris.
The design is a neo-grotesque, similar to its contemporary, Helvetica.
With
the release of Univers, Frutiger began using numbers rather than names
to
designate variations of weight, width, and slope. The full Univers
family
consists of twenty-one typefaces, and Frutiger has used this numerical
system
on other designs, including Serifa and Frutiger. Linotype also has
adopted
this numerical system for many other faces. All twenty-one Univers
faces
were designed to work together, so they can be mixed in a variety of
ways.
Their legibility lends itself to a large variety of applications, from
text and headlines to packaging and signage.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Many PC applications have separate menus for selecting typeface
families and
typeface styles. Most applications let you choose among regular, bold,
and
italic styles in the Style menu. However, some Adobe Type Library
packages
include font software with additional style variations and stroke
weight
variations. To select these variations, you need to know how the bold
and
italic styles are linked to the base typeface. For example, the New
Caledonia
typeface includes semi-bold, bold, and black. To use New Caledonia
Black, you
need to choose New Caledonia SemiBold from the application's Font menu
(or
equivalent), and then choose Bold from the Style menu (or equivalent).

If you are using a Microsoft Windows application, Ventura Publisher or
Microsoft Word, follow the guide to typeface style selection below.
(The
Microsoft Word menu name will be as listed below but with any spaces
in it
removed.) If you are using an application other than these, refer to
the
application's documentation.

If you are reading this document using Windows Notepad, please make
sure to
set your left and right margins to zero before printing.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PostScript                    Menu Name Plus Style Links          DOS
File
Name                          (BOLD, ITALIC, and BOLDITALIC)      Name
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Univers-Light                 Univers 45 Light                   
UVL_____.PFB
Univers-Bold                  Univers 45 Light,BOLD              
UVB_____.PFB
Univers-LightOblique          Univers 45 Light,ITALIC            
UVLO____.PFB
Univers-BoldOblique           Univers 45 Light,BOLDITALIC        
UVBO____.PFB
Univers                       Univers 55                         
UV______.PFB
Univers-Black                 Univers 55,BOLD                    
UVBL____.PFB
Univers-Oblique               Univers 55,ITALIC                  
UVO_____.PFB
Univers-BlackOblique          Univers 55,BOLDITALIC              
UVBLO___.PFB
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The typefaces in this package are numbered according to the Frutiger
system,
which denotes weight, width and slope. The following table shows how
these
numbers correspond to the menu names and style links of the fonts.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Menu Name Plus Style Links           Full Name
(BOLD, ITALIC, and BOLDITALIC)       (with Frutiger Number)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Univers 45 Light                     Univers 45 Light
Univers 45 Light,BOLD                Univers 65 Bold
Univers 45 Light,ITALIC              Univers 45 Light Oblique
Univers 45 Light,BOLDITALIC          Univers 65 Bold Oblique
Univers 55                           Univers 55 Roman
Univers 55,BOLD                      Univers 75 Black
Univers 55,ITALIC                    Univers 55 Oblique
Univers 55,BOLDITALIC                Univers 75 Black Oblique
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Anybody know if InDesign lists the fonts as 45, 55, 65, and 75, as Photoshop
does? I did read the text file accompanying the font. It seems that
Pagemaker relies on stylizing 45 and 55.
Rick

"Alan" <7ibehx001@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:2a7ef8ef.0404170213.262ddc72@posting.google.com...
> "Rick" <rauth567@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<c5pa85$4e805$1@ID-124161.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > I am using Pagemaker 7 on XP pro, and have been using Univers as the
> > "official corporate font" for 11 years. The Univers Type 1 font set from
> > Adobe comes with 8 pfb files,  UVL, UV, UVB, UVBL and the 4 oblique
files.
> >
> > In XP's Font Viewer, both the Univers Light and the Univers Bold files
show
> > with the same title, Univers 45 Light (Type 1).
> > The Univers and Univers Black files have the same title, Univers 55
(Type
> > 1).
> >
> > In pagemaker, only 45 and 55 are listed as available fonts. I have to
bold
> > and italicize them. Strangely, in Photoshop 7, all 4 weights are listed.
> >
> > My print shop has recently installed a new Heidelberg direct to plate
> > system, driven by a PC (at least for my files, he has a Mac too) and the
> > printer has difficulty producing my pubs with the bolding applied. They
all
> > come out as very loose, normal weight. He says I need actual 65 and 75
> > weight font files, which do not seem to exist in the PC world.
> > I managed to work around the problem for now by providing him with hires
pdf
> > files.
> > Is there a setting somewhere on the imagesetter driver to accept or
ignore
> > stylized weights?
> > Would this problem go away if I migrated to InDesign?
>
> At the end of this I've pasted the text file that accompanies the
> Univers fonts in Adobe Font Folio 9.
>
> Basically, the individual "Font names" are Univers 45, 55, 65, 75
> (light, roman, bold, black). [Photoshop is apparently using these.]
> Adobe have given these Windows "menu names" grouping them into two
> familes, "Univers 45" and "Univers 55". So "Univers 45, bold" is
> actually (or should be) the font named Univers 65; and "Univers 55,
> bold" is actually "Univers 75". Most Windows apps should see these
> names.
>
> So you have all the fonts you need, you just have to make sure the
> software uses them.  This is a PageMaker question, really.
>
> I loaded these fonts and they appear to work okay in PageMaker 6.5 and
> Win 98.
>
> The other question is what files are you giving the output people?
> PageMaker files? If so, it's possible they haven't got the fonts
> installed correctly on their system.
>
> You can solve a lot of font issues if you can make PDF files on your
> PC and give that with the fonts embedded. If you rely on the output
> people to make adjustments (replacing images, etc) that can make it
> more difficult for them though.
>
> Otherwise, there are many PageMaker forums you might seek advice.
> EG: <http://www.adobe.com/support/forums/main.html>,
> or the general prepress newsgroup comp.publish.prepress
>
> UNIVERS.TXT FILE================
> Package Univers
>
> As a student in Zurich, Adrian Frutiger began work on Univers, which
> would
> eventually be released in 1957 by the Deberny & Peignot foundry in
> Paris.
> The design is a neo-grotesque, similar to its contemporary, Helvetica.
> With
> the release of Univers, Frutiger began using numbers rather than names
> to
> designate variations of weight, width, and slope. The full Univers
> family
> consists of twenty-one typefaces, and Frutiger has used this numerical
> system
> on other designs, including Serifa and Frutiger. Linotype also has
> adopted
> this numerical system for many other faces. All twenty-one Univers
> faces
> were designed to work together, so they can be mixed in a variety of
> ways.
> Their legibility lends itself to a large variety of applications, from
> text and headlines to packaging and signage.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> Many PC applications have separate menus for selecting typeface
> families and
> typeface styles. Most applications let you choose among regular, bold,
> and
> italic styles in the Style menu. However, some Adobe Type Library
> packages
> include font software with additional style variations and stroke
> weight
> variations. To select these variations, you need to know how the bold
> and
> italic styles are linked to the base typeface. For example, the New
> Caledonia
> typeface includes semi-bold, bold, and black. To use New Caledonia
> Black, you
> need to choose New Caledonia SemiBold from the application's Font menu
> (or
> equivalent), and then choose Bold from the Style menu (or equivalent).
>
> If you are using a Microsoft Windows application, Ventura Publisher or
> Microsoft Word, follow the guide to typeface style selection below.
> (The
> Microsoft Word menu name will be as listed below but with any spaces
> in it
> removed.) If you are using an application other than these, refer to
> the
> application's documentation.
>
> If you are reading this document using Windows Notepad, please make
> sure to
> set your left and right margins to zero before printing.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> PostScript                    Menu Name Plus Style Links          DOS
> File
> Name                          (BOLD, ITALIC, and BOLDITALIC)      Name
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> Univers-Light                 Univers 45 Light
> UVL_____.PFB
> Univers-Bold                  Univers 45 Light,BOLD
> UVB_____.PFB
> Univers-LightOblique          Univers 45 Light,ITALIC
> UVLO____.PFB
> Univers-BoldOblique           Univers 45 Light,BOLDITALIC
> UVBO____.PFB
> Univers                       Univers 55
> UV______.PFB
> Univers-Black                 Univers 55,BOLD
> UVBL____.PFB
> Univers-Oblique               Univers 55,ITALIC
> UVO_____.PFB
> Univers-BlackOblique          Univers 55,BOLDITALIC
> UVBLO___.PFB
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
>
> The typefaces in this package are numbered according to the Frutiger
> system,
> which denotes weight, width and slope. The following table shows how
> these
> numbers correspond to the menu names and style links of the fonts.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> Menu Name Plus Style Links           Full Name
> (BOLD, ITALIC, and BOLDITALIC)       (with Frutiger Number)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> Univers 45 Light                     Univers 45 Light
> Univers 45 Light,BOLD                Univers 65 Bold
> Univers 45 Light,ITALIC              Univers 45 Light Oblique
> Univers 45 Light,BOLDITALIC          Univers 65 Bold Oblique
> Univers 55                           Univers 55 Roman
> Univers 55,BOLD                      Univers 75 Black
> Univers 55,ITALIC                    Univers 55 Oblique
> Univers 55,BOLDITALIC                Univers 75 Black Oblique
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

"Rick" <subscription@rauth.com> wrote in
news:5dednRh9Muo0GRndRVn-iQ@comcast.com: 

> Anybody know if InDesign lists the fonts as 45, 55, 65, and 75, as
> Photoshop does?

It lists them seperately, as above.

And, interestingly enough, if you have the same family installed in more 
than one format, it lists that separately as well.

I.E., Univers (TT), Univers (OTF). Never noticed before.

> I did read the text file accompanying the font. It
> seems that Pagemaker relies on stylizing 45 and 55.