🚀 go-pugleaf

Mike wrote:
> 
> 3Dfx was the king, but the king is very ill, and the Prince_Nvidia just
> might take the crown in the next month.
> 

I think Prince Nvidia has been slipping something into the drinks of the
King's wizards...

Hehehe. I mean it. Go TNT2


Mike wrote in message ...
>He did in the days of the TNT_Squire, but the Prince_TNT2 may be slipping
>some dynamite in the bitch's drink.
>
>BOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM
>
>--
>
>Mike
>
>check out - www.msu.edu/~tansymic
>
>WorkerWorkin <" sleeping"@night.com> wrote in message
>news:36FAC9D2.5F9A@night.com...
>> Mike wrote:
>> >
>> > 3Dfx was the king, but the king is very ill, and the Prince_Nvidia just
>> > might take the crown in the next month.
>> >
>>
>> I think Prince Nvidia has been slipping something into the drinks of the
>> King's wizards...
>
>

Mike <tansymic@pilot.msu.edu.NOSPAM> wrote in message
news:X_AK2.2917$LM.5522@news.rdc1.mi.home.com...
>What are you saying, oh great camping warrior?

LOL, that tickled me

Only I am better than Mike

Mike wrote in message ...
>:-)
>
>he is my camping buddy in Q2
>
>--
>
>Mike
>
>check out - www.msu.edu/~tansymic
>
>Machiavellian <rruss@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>news:6mBK2.8737$Ll.1572@nntp0.detroit.mi.ameritech.net...
>>
>> Mike <tansymic@pilot.msu.edu.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>> news:X_AK2.2917$LM.5522@news.rdc1.mi.home.com...
>> >What are you saying, oh great camping warrior?
>>
>> LOL, that tickled me
>>
>>
>>
>
>

What is happening to this thread? This is stupid. Jeez...then Prince
Vaporware sneaks into the night and sleeps with all the princes and king's
wives and concubines. After 9 months, they all have his babies and his
descendants eventually rule the land because the bloodline of nVidia and
3dfx no longer exists. Hahaha


Mike wrote in message ...
>not likely
>
>--
>
>Mike
>
>Please remove the .NOSPAM from my email address when replying
>
>check out - www.msu.edu/~tansymic
>
>Scott Gennari <gennari@SPAMBURGERhawaii.edu> wrote in message
>news:7depak$kug@news.Hawaii.Edu...
>> Only I am better than Mike
>>
>> Mike wrote in message ...
>> >:-)
>> >
>> >he is my camping buddy in Q2
>> >
>> >--
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >check out - www.msu.edu/~tansymic
>> >
>> >Machiavellian <rruss@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> >news:6mBK2.8737$Ll.1572@nntp0.detroit.mi.ameritech.net...
>> >>
>> >> Mike <tansymic@pilot.msu.edu.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>> >> news:X_AK2.2917$LM.5522@news.rdc1.mi.home.com...
>> >> >What are you saying, oh great camping warrior?
>> >>
>> >> LOL, that tickled me
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

What I don't understand is that the TNT2 is just a faster TNT with AGP 4x
and more memory etc. Does it have new 3d features like hardware bump
mapping, enviroment mapping, full screen anti aliasing, texture compression,
etc.? The TNT-2 will probably be the fastest by 10% or so. I definitely do
not think it is a next generation card, but a faster current generation
card.

My previous point was that the cards haven't even been shipped yet but
because of Tom a vaporware card is already name the king of 3d. You even say
the words yourself. That is just BS...at least for a few months. Personally,
I rather have a card that is 10-25% slower than the TNT-2 but have cool new
3d features.


Mr. Mojo <5mojo5@airmail.net> wrote in message

>company. After seeing the Voodoo3 I though "oh crap, they did everything I
>was hopeing they wouldn't do" which is just release a faster version of the
>Banshee. Currently in my mind the TNT2 is the king of the NEXT gen of
cards,
>hopefully 3Dfx takes the next round and all those other companies can go to
>hell.
>
>--
>Mr. Mojo

Being the king has more to do with public opinion than with real world
performance. Currently 3Dfx is the king of 3D gaming, do they have the best
all-around card? Not really, the image quality of the voodoo2 is lacking and
it doesn't destroy the other cards in every benchmark. But guess what card
is in my system? yup a voodoo2, which  bought because I respected 3Dfx as a
company. After seeing the Voodoo3 I though "oh crap, they did everything I
was hopeing they wouldn't do" which is just release a faster version of the
Banshee. Currently in my mind the TNT2 is the king of the NEXT gen of cards,
hopefully 3Dfx takes the next round and all those other companies can go to
hell.

--
Mr. Mojo

"And a thousand thousand slimy things Lived on;
and so did I."
Chaotic Origin <7bu1q896t1@news.com> wrote in message
<7de5eh$618$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>When you hype one board declaring it "king of 3d cards" before nVidia
>releases official specs, finishing drivers and any other companies
releasing
>official specs like whether or not 175mhz is the final clockrate, I *do*
>think it is mostly Tom's fault. If you ever read his CeBIT blurb you would
>obviously see his bias against 3dfx. Compare that to another CeBIT report
>like the one at 3d Concepts.
>
>Also, if you look at Tom's CeBit Blurb you would have seen the beta
>benchmarks for the PowerVR 250 Neon which got 49fps in 1024x768 Q2 Crusher
>demo verses the Ultra TNT2's 50fps or so. I don't think Crusher demo is a
>good 3d test but that is another issue. I think that it obviously proves
>that it is too premature to declare a king when there are several promising
>cards in the near future.
>
>
>Mr. Mojo <5mojo5@airmail.net> wrote in message
><52F6ECA1A90D5450.1A1EA646BC48AB1D.E55D8869CC4050E0@library-proxy.airnews.n
e
>t>...
>>Thats Tom's fault? I thought it was because most of the other cards you
>>mentioned were gonna get their ass kicked by the TNT2/Voodoo 3. Nivida and
>>3dFX are the only two companies who have religious followings (since all
>the
>>other ones have been useless up until now) so they are the ones that get
>the
>>most hype. Lets see, Power VR: First card blew absolute chunks and next
one
>>is extremely late, Matrox g400: So far they have yet to make a video card
>>thats not underpowered, S3 Savage 4: hahah S3, they have a bad rep to
>>overcome with that crap they used to sell, 3Dlabs Permedia3: Great 3D app
>>performance, bad game performance.
>>
>>--
>>Mr. Mojo
>
>
>
>

3Dfx was the king, but the king is very ill, and the Prince_Nvidia just
might take the crown in the next month.

--

Mike

check out - www.msu.edu/~tansymic

Mr. Mojo <5mojo5@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:9E52D478FF2E9A84.BD5BBDA8BB69250D.99A93CFEA9E23551@library-proxy.airnew
s.net...
> Being the king has more to do with public opinion than with real world
> performance. Currently 3Dfx is the king of 3D gaming, do they have the
best
> all-around card? Not really, the image quality of the voodoo2 is lacking
and
> it doesn't destroy the other cards in every benchmark. But guess what card
> is in my system? yup a voodoo2, which  bought because I respected 3Dfx as
a
> company. After seeing the Voodoo3 I though "oh crap, they did everything I
> was hopeing they wouldn't do" which is just release a faster version of
the
> Banshee. Currently in my mind the TNT2 is the king of the NEXT gen of
cards,
> hopefully 3Dfx takes the next round and all those other companies can go
to
> hell.
>
> --
> Mr. Mojo
>
> "And a thousand thousand slimy things Lived on;
> and so did I."
> Chaotic Origin <7bu1q896t1@news.com> wrote in message
> <7de5eh$618$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> >When you hype one board declaring it "king of 3d cards" before nVidia
> >releases official specs, finishing drivers and any other companies
> releasing
> >official specs like whether or not 175mhz is the final clockrate, I *do*
> >think it is mostly Tom's fault. If you ever read his CeBIT blurb you
would
> >obviously see his bias against 3dfx. Compare that to another CeBIT report
> >like the one at 3d Concepts.
> >
> >Also, if you look at Tom's CeBit Blurb you would have seen the beta
> >benchmarks for the PowerVR 250 Neon which got 49fps in 1024x768 Q2
Crusher
> >demo verses the Ultra TNT2's 50fps or so. I don't think Crusher demo is a
> >good 3d test but that is another issue. I think that it obviously proves
> >that it is too premature to declare a king when there are several
promising
> >cards in the near future.
> >
> >
> >Mr. Mojo <5mojo5@airmail.net> wrote in message
>
><52F6ECA1A90D5450.1A1EA646BC48AB1D.E55D8869CC4050E0@library-proxy.airnews.n
> e
> >t>...
> >>Thats Tom's fault? I thought it was because most of the other cards you
> >>mentioned were gonna get their ass kicked by the TNT2/Voodoo 3. Nivida
and
> >>3dFX are the only two companies who have religious followings (since all
> >the
> >>other ones have been useless up until now) so they are the ones that get
> >the
> >>most hype. Lets see, Power VR: First card blew absolute chunks and next
> one
> >>is extremely late, Matrox g400: So far they have yet to make a video
card
> >>thats not underpowered, S3 Savage 4: hahah S3, they have a bad rep to
> >>overcome with that crap they used to sell, 3Dlabs Permedia3: Great 3D
app
> >>performance, bad game performance.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Mr. Mojo
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Chaotic Origin <7bu1q896t1@news.com> wrote in message
<7dcrl9$6c1$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>journalism. We should also be talking about the PowerVR 250 Neon, the G400,
>Savage 4 or Permedia 3. There are 4 other cards and why are we only talking
>about 2 of 6 future cards? Tom Pabst is the reason.


You mean 4 future cards, and 2 far-future cards, dontcha?  AFAIK there is no
silicon yet of G400 or Permedia 3.

--
Mike Smith.  No, the other one.

Since I only have a P2-300, will a TNT2 give me that much more of a
boost in games like Halflife to make it worthwhile to upgrade?

Wael Hendawi wrote:
> 
> Get the TNT2 , but keep the V2 for any glide games
> 
> Tim McKillican wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a P2-300 w/ 64 megs of RAM with a CL Voodoo2 8 meg.  I'm trying
> > to decide whether it'd be worth it to upgrade to a TNT2 or a V3.  Is my
> > system fast enough to make an upgrade worth it?  Would the 32-bit
> > support of the TNT2 run fast enough to actually use it over 16-bit?  The
> > main game I will be playing in the future is TFC for Halflife, since I
> > am a hardcore TF1 clan player, and I think that everyone will move over
> > to TFC.  Would a new video card boost my performance in Halflife enough
> > to get rid of my V2 and add a TNT2 or V3?  I already have someone that
> > is willing to buy my V2 for $100 cdn.  And if it is worthwhile, which
> > card should I get?  I plan on upgrading my processor sometime around
> > Christmas when the next generation of Intel chips roll after (post P3).
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Tim
> > (remove NOSPAM if you wish to email me)
> 
> --
> Wael Hendawi

Is it worth keeping the V2 for Glide only games, when I'm cashed
strapped as it is?  I could get $100 cdn for the V2, making the TNT2 a
lot cheaper.

Pedro Lami wrote:
> 
> Get the TnT2 and keep the V2
> 
> On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:01:37 GMT, Tim McKillican
> <timmck@NOSPAMhome.com> took some time away from whatever he/she was
> doing and wrotf:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I have a P2-300 w/ 64 megs of RAM with a CL Voodoo2 8 meg.  I'm trying
> >to decide whether it'd be worth it to upgrade to a TNT2 or a V3.  Is my
> >system fast enough to make an upgrade worth it?  Would the 32-bit
> >support of the TNT2 run fast enough to actually use it over 16-bit?  The
> >main game I will be playing in the future is TFC for Halflife, since I
> >am a hardcore TF1 clan player, and I think that everyone will move over
> >to TFC.  Would a new video card boost my performance in Halflife enough
> >to get rid of my V2 and add a TNT2 or V3?  I already have someone that
> >is willing to buy my V2 for $100 cdn.  And if it is worthwhile, which
> >card should I get?  I plan on upgrading my processor sometime around
> >Christmas when the next generation of Intel chips roll after (post P3).
> >
> >Thanks for your help,
> >Tim
> >(remove NOSPAM if you wish to email me)

No it isn't. It's because they are gonna suck, period.


Chaotic Origin wrote:
> 
> Wait and see...everyone is pretty much arguing over cards that are not
> available. We may not see the final clock of the Diamond Ultra TNT-2 at
> 175mhz. We may see driver optimizations and better SSE or 3dNow! support.
> Why is it only the TNT2 or the V3? There are 3 or 4 cards coming soon which
> will have more 3d functions than either the TNT-2 or V3. I feel it is
> because of Tom Pabst's hype on the TNT-2 vs V3 which shows the result of bad
> journalism. We should also be talking about the PowerVR 250 Neon, the G400,
> Savage 4 or Permedia 3. There are 4 other cards and why are we only talking
> about 2 of 6 future cards? Tom Pabst is the reason.

When you hype one board declaring it "king of 3d cards" before nVidia
releases official specs, finishing drivers and any other companies releasing
official specs like whether or not 175mhz is the final clockrate, I *do*
think it is mostly Tom's fault. If you ever read his CeBIT blurb you would
obviously see his bias against 3dfx. Compare that to another CeBIT report
like the one at 3d Concepts.

Also, if you look at Tom's CeBit Blurb you would have seen the beta
benchmarks for the PowerVR 250 Neon which got 49fps in 1024x768 Q2 Crusher
demo verses the Ultra TNT2's 50fps or so. I don't think Crusher demo is a
good 3d test but that is another issue. I think that it obviously proves
that it is too premature to declare a king when there are several promising
cards in the near future.


Mr. Mojo <5mojo5@airmail.net> wrote in message
<52F6ECA1A90D5450.1A1EA646BC48AB1D.E55D8869CC4050E0@library-proxy.airnews.ne
t>...
>Thats Tom's fault? I thought it was because most of the other cards you
>mentioned were gonna get their ass kicked by the TNT2/Voodoo 3. Nivida and
>3dFX are the only two companies who have religious followings (since all
the
>other ones have been useless up until now) so they are the ones that get
the
>most hype. Lets see, Power VR: First card blew absolute chunks and next one
>is extremely late, Matrox g400: So far they have yet to make a video card
>thats not underpowered, S3 Savage 4: hahah S3, they have a bad rep to
>overcome with that crap they used to sell, 3Dlabs Permedia3: Great 3D app
>performance, bad game performance.
>
>--
>Mr. Mojo

Get the TnT2 and keep the V2


On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:01:37 GMT, Tim McKillican
<timmck@NOSPAMhome.com> took some time away from whatever he/she was
doing and wrotf:

>Hi,
>
>I have a P2-300 w/ 64 megs of RAM with a CL Voodoo2 8 meg.  I'm trying
>to decide whether it'd be worth it to upgrade to a TNT2 or a V3.  Is my
>system fast enough to make an upgrade worth it?  Would the 32-bit
>support of the TNT2 run fast enough to actually use it over 16-bit?  The
>main game I will be playing in the future is TFC for Halflife, since I
>am a hardcore TF1 clan player, and I think that everyone will move over
>to TFC.  Would a new video card boost my performance in Halflife enough
>to get rid of my V2 and add a TNT2 or V3?  I already have someone that
>is willing to buy my V2 for $100 cdn.  And if it is worthwhile, which
>card should I get?  I plan on upgrading my processor sometime around
>Christmas when the next generation of Intel chips roll after (post P3).
>
>Thanks for your help,
>Tim
>(remove NOSPAM if you wish to email me)

Get the TNT2 , but keep the V2 for any glide games

Tim McKillican wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a P2-300 w/ 64 megs of RAM with a CL Voodoo2 8 meg.  I'm trying
> to decide whether it'd be worth it to upgrade to a TNT2 or a V3.  Is my
> system fast enough to make an upgrade worth it?  Would the 32-bit
> support of the TNT2 run fast enough to actually use it over 16-bit?  The
> main game I will be playing in the future is TFC for Halflife, since I
> am a hardcore TF1 clan player, and I think that everyone will move over
> to TFC.  Would a new video card boost my performance in Halflife enough
> to get rid of my V2 and add a TNT2 or V3?  I already have someone that
> is willing to buy my V2 for $100 cdn.  And if it is worthwhile, which
> card should I get?  I plan on upgrading my processor sometime around
> Christmas when the next generation of Intel chips roll after (post P3).
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Tim
> (remove NOSPAM if you wish to email me)

--
Wael Hendawi

Thats Tom's fault? I thought it was because most of the other cards you
mentioned were gonna get their ass kicked by the TNT2/Voodoo 3. Nivida and
3dFX are the only two companies who have religious followings (since all the
other ones have been useless up until now) so they are the ones that get the
most hype. Lets see, Power VR: First card blew absolute chunks and next one
is extremely late, Matrox g400: So far they have yet to make a video card
thats not underpowered, S3 Savage 4: hahah S3, they have a bad rep to
overcome with that crap they used to sell, 3Dlabs Permedia3: Great 3D app
performance, bad game performance.

--
Mr. Mojo

"And a thousand thousand slimy things Lived on;
and so did I."
Chaotic Origin <7bu1q896t1@news.com> wrote in message
<7dcrl9$6c1$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>Wait and see...everyone is pretty much arguing over cards that are not
>available. We may not see the final clock of the Diamond Ultra TNT-2 at
>175mhz. We may see driver optimizations and better SSE or 3dNow! support.
>Why is it only the TNT2 or the V3? There are 3 or 4 cards coming soon which
>will have more 3d functions than either the TNT-2 or V3. I feel it is
>because of Tom Pabst's hype on the TNT-2 vs V3 which shows the result of
bad
>journalism. We should also be talking about the PowerVR 250 Neon, the G400,
>Savage 4 or Permedia 3. There are 4 other cards and why are we only talking
>about 2 of 6 future cards? Tom Pabst is the reason.
>
>
>

Wait and see...everyone is pretty much arguing over cards that are not
available. We may not see the final clock of the Diamond Ultra TNT-2 at
175mhz. We may see driver optimizations and better SSE or 3dNow! support.
Why is it only the TNT2 or the V3? There are 3 or 4 cards coming soon which
will have more 3d functions than either the TNT-2 or V3. I feel it is
because of Tom Pabst's hype on the TNT-2 vs V3 which shows the result of bad
journalism. We should also be talking about the PowerVR 250 Neon, the G400,
Savage 4 or Permedia 3. There are 4 other cards and why are we only talking
about 2 of 6 future cards? Tom Pabst is the reason.

Even if the V3 ends up being faster, stick to the TNT2....image quality is
so much better in 16 bit AND 32 bit that it isn't worth the small
performance increase of the V3.

Tim McKillican <timmck@NOSPAMhome.com> wrote in message
news:36F9D174.626A9661@NOSPAMhome.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have a P2-300 w/ 64 megs of RAM with a CL Voodoo2 8 meg.  I'm trying
> to decide whether it'd be worth it to upgrade to a TNT2 or a V3.  Is my
> system fast enough to make an upgrade worth it?  Would the 32-bit
> support of the TNT2 run fast enough to actually use it over 16-bit?  The
> main game I will be playing in the future is TFC for Halflife, since I
> am a hardcore TF1 clan player, and I think that everyone will move over
> to TFC.  Would a new video card boost my performance in Halflife enough
> to get rid of my V2 and add a TNT2 or V3?  I already have someone that
> is willing to buy my V2 for $100 cdn.  And if it is worthwhile, which
> card should I get?  I plan on upgrading my processor sometime around
> Christmas when the next generation of Intel chips roll after (post P3).
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Tim
> (remove NOSPAM if you wish to email me)

Mike Smith wrote in message <7deetj$i9r$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>
>You mean 4 future cards, and 2 far-future cards, dontcha?  AFAIK there is no
>silicon yet of G400 or Permedia 3.
>
>--
>Mike Smith.  No, the other one.



Take a look at the Permedia 3 preview at Sharkey's - P3 silicon has been
shipping to IHVs for at least a month, and was in evidence at CEBiT from several
vendors, as well as preview cards getting to the reviewers.  You are correct
about the G400 though...

-B

Ok, going by your assumtions, if the Permedia 3 has better image quality
than the TNT 2, Should that person change his pick to the P3.  I mean if
image quality is king than it looks like the P3 or the Savage 4 might be the
best picks


Dip <tmeyer1@screwspammers.bigfoot.com.spamsucks> wrote in message
news:P9GK2.869$7k3.3895@news.uswest.net...
>Even if the V3 ends up being faster, stick to the TNT2....image quality is
>so much better in 16 bit AND 32 bit that it isn't worth the small
>performance increase of the V3.
>
>Tim McKillican <timmck@NOSPAMhome.com> wrote in message
>news:36F9D174.626A9661@NOSPAMhome.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a P2-300 w/ 64 megs of RAM with a CL Voodoo2 8 meg.  I'm trying
>> to decide whether it'd be worth it to upgrade to a TNT2 or a V3.  Is my
>> system fast enough to make an upgrade worth it?  Would the 32-bit
>> support of the TNT2 run fast enough to actually use it over 16-bit?  The
>> main game I will be playing in the future is TFC for Halflife, since I
>> am a hardcore TF1 clan player, and I think that everyone will move over
>> to TFC.  Would a new video card boost my performance in Halflife enough
>> to get rid of my V2 and add a TNT2 or V3?  I already have someone that
>> is willing to buy my V2 for $100 cdn.  And if it is worthwhile, which
>> card should I get?  I plan on upgrading my processor sometime around
>> Christmas when the next generation of Intel chips roll after (post P3).
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Tim
>> (remove NOSPAM if you wish to email me)
>
>

He did in the days of the TNT_Squire, but the Prince_TNT2 may be slipping
some dynamite in the bitch's drink.

BOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM

--

Mike

check out - www.msu.edu/~tansymic

WorkerWorkin <" sleeping"@night.com> wrote in message
news:36FAC9D2.5F9A@night.com...
> Mike wrote:
> >
> > 3Dfx was the king, but the king is very ill, and the Prince_Nvidia just
> > might take the crown in the next month.
> >
>
> I think Prince Nvidia has been slipping something into the drinks of the
> King's wizards...

What are you saying, oh great camping warrior?

LOL

--

Mike

check out - www.msu.edu/~tansymic

Scott Gennari <gennari@SPAMBURGERhawaii.edu> wrote in message
news:7dekih$hje@news.Hawaii.Edu...
>
> Hehehe. I mean it. Go TNT2
>
>
> Mike wrote in message ...
> >He did in the days of the TNT_Squire, but the Prince_TNT2 may be slipping
> >some dynamite in the bitch's drink.
> >
> >BOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM
> >
> >--
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >check out - www.msu.edu/~tansymic
> >
> >WorkerWorkin <" sleeping"@night.com> wrote in message
> >news:36FAC9D2.5F9A@night.com...
> >> Mike wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 3Dfx was the king, but the king is very ill, and the Prince_Nvidia
just
> >> > might take the crown in the next month.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I think Prince Nvidia has been slipping something into the drinks of
the
> >> King's wizards...
> >
> >
>
>

:-)

he is my camping buddy in Q2

--

Mike

check out - www.msu.edu/~tansymic

Machiavellian <rruss@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:6mBK2.8737$Ll.1572@nntp0.detroit.mi.ameritech.net...
>
> Mike <tansymic@pilot.msu.edu.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:X_AK2.2917$LM.5522@news.rdc1.mi.home.com...
> >What are you saying, oh great camping warrior?
>
> LOL, that tickled me
>
>
>