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Article #294Re: Arny Kruegers rants about the Live! rejected
From: dave weil
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:13
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:13
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On Fri, 18 May 2001 02:14:25 GMT, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@pop3free.com> wrote: > >"Ulrich Grassberger" <grasso@my-deja.com> wrote in message >news:3b046d21.84012158@News.CIS.DFN.DE... >> >http://www.pcabx.com/technical/low_pass/index.htm : >> "These samples were made by applying CoolEdit Pro 'FFT' low-pass >> filtering at the indicated frequency. The cutoff slope is in >excess >> of 100 dB/octave." >> >> So you use a linear-phase filter which leads to symmetrical >ringing. > >OK. > >> Now, the pre-ringing can be detected by our ears. > >Please prove it with a DBT. All the pieces you need to "play" are at >http://www.pcabx.com/technical/low_pass/index.htm including the DBT >comparator. You do have to provide your own sound card and listening >environment, but you must have that, right? > >> If you used a filter flatter than 100dB/oct but with a lower limit >frequency and different coefficients you might be able to reduce >pre-ringing. > >Mr. Grasso you are way ahead of yourself. You've presumed that the >ringing is audible, but you've neither cited a relevant well-known >psychoacoustic authority nor have you provided reliable evidence >based on a listening test. Anybody can make unproven assertions and >many people have. > >>That means that a lower limit frequency can sound better. > >In the absence of reliable evidence the claim "sounds better" is >irrelevant. > >>I explain it at grassomusic.de/english/digital.htm#96khz in full >length. > >Until you've proven that it's audible Mr. Grasso, all you've done >"proven" your hypothesis by making yet another hypothesis. > >Mr. Grasso are you familiar with the concept of readily demonstrable >facts? That's what any reasonable person is looking for. If the >effect you claim is audible, is in fact audible then you should be >able to demonstrate it in a DBT, no? > >That hardly seems like any kind of a notable accomplishment, no? Do you even know this guy's name? Can you not read your own newsreader? Some computer expert! LOL! LoT:s!
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