🚀 go-pugleaf

In article <5b803018.0401082004.5da503a3@posting.google.com>,
 anonym1723@aol.com (Math1723) wrote:

> I wanted to find out what Java compilers with modern IDE's are
> available for Panther?  I see that Metrowerks has a Java compiler for
> CodeWarrior 8, but has stopped supporting Java as of CodeWarrior 9. 
> (And I understand that Metrowerks doesn't support CodeWarrior 8 on
> Panther.)  Borland had a version of JBuilder for Mac OS X which I saw
> demoed at WWDC a year or two ago, but is it still available and
> working for Panther?  Apple's XCode can compile Cocoa apps in Java,
> but can I create cross-platform executables in Java with these Apple
> tools?

Although unsupported, CodeWarrior 8 does run under Panther, so you can 
use it for Java development if you wish.  Personally I really like the 
CW IDE for editing files and the compile speed is great, but it has 
always been a tad awkward launching and debugging Java apps (especially 
command line tools that use command line arguments and/or stdin/stdout).

Xcode is also an option.  It doesn't require you to use any of the Cocoa 
APIs so you can build cross platform Java apps if you wish.  Code 
completion doesn't work with Java yet, which is annoying.  By default, 
Xcode uses javac for the compiler, which is quite slow.  You can opt to 
use the jikes compiler which is comparable in speed to CW.

Between the two I think CW has the edge in usability, but it may not be 
worth the extra $, especially given the fact that it is unsupported on 
Panther.

Dave

In article <dbaum-AE5613.23485808012004@news1.starnetusa.net>,
 Dave Baum <dbaum@starnetwx.net> wrote:

> In article <5b803018.0401082004.5da503a3@posting.google.com>,
>  anonym1723@aol.com (Math1723) wrote:
> 
> > I wanted to find out what Java compilers with modern IDE's are
> > available for Panther?  I see that Metrowerks has a Java compiler for
> > CodeWarrior 8, but has stopped supporting Java as of CodeWarrior 9. 
> > (And I understand that Metrowerks doesn't support CodeWarrior 8 on
> > Panther.)  Borland had a version of JBuilder for Mac OS X which I saw
> > demoed at WWDC a year or two ago, but is it still available and
> > working for Panther?  Apple's XCode can compile Cocoa apps in Java,
> > but can I create cross-platform executables in Java with these Apple
> > tools?
> 
> Although unsupported, CodeWarrior 8 does run under Panther, so you can 
> use it for Java development if you wish.  Personally I really like the 
> CW IDE for editing files and the compile speed is great, but it has 
> always been a tad awkward launching and debugging Java apps (especially 
> command line tools that use command line arguments and/or stdin/stdout).
> 
> Xcode is also an option.  It doesn't require you to use any of the Cocoa 
> APIs so you can build cross platform Java apps if you wish.  Code 
> completion doesn't work with Java yet, which is annoying.  By default, 
> Xcode uses javac for the compiler, which is quite slow.  You can opt to 
> use the jikes compiler which is comparable in speed to CW.
> 
> Between the two I think CW has the edge in usability, but it may not be 
> worth the extra $, especially given the fact that it is unsupported on 
> Panther.
> 
> Dave

There is also http://www.netbeans.org/ which I havn't yet tried out but did DL it yesterday.
And there may be something at the IBM site....
respect...

Peter

In article <5b803018.0401082004.5da503a3@posting.google.com>,
 anonym1723@aol.com (Math1723) wrote:

>I wanted to find out what Java compilers with modern IDE's are
>available for Panther?  I see that Metrowerks has a Java compiler for
>CodeWarrior 8, but has stopped supporting Java as of CodeWarrior 9. 

That isn't entirely correct... Java isn't dead with Metrowerks it just 
isn't included with CW 9 for Macintosh.   There are a variety or reasons 
for this decision.

I can't comment if Metrowerks will have a Java tool because of the SEC 
restrictions applied to Metrowerks as part of the SPS spinout.   But I 
can say that the AP is going to Java and we have always been a prime 
tool for academics.

>(And I understand that Metrowerks doesn't support CodeWarrior 8 on
>Panther.)  

It does work,  there just won't be any fixes if it doesn't work and you 
can't get help from support for issues (if any) because of OS X 10.3

Ron

-- 

Metrowerks, maker of CodeWarrior   -  "Software Starts Here"  
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - <http://www.metrowerks.com>

In article <5b803018.0401082004.5da503a3@posting.google.com>,
 anonym1723@aol.com (Math1723) wrote:

> I wanted to find out what Java compilers with modern IDE's are
> available for Panther?

My two favorites are Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) and IDEA 
(www.intellij.com).  Both are very powerful refactoring IDEs with lots 
of yummy optional goodies.

What convinced me to move from the free Eclipse to the for-pay IDEA was 
the native file formats.  IDEA uses XML, so I can generate it via XSLT 
for a rather large, complicated project I am working on.  Still, both 
are worth a look.

Scott
scott@alodar.com
Java, Cocoa, WebObjects and Database consulting