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in article M5mE6.5822$ff.45644@news-server.bigpond.net.au, Simon Biber at
xbiber@bigpond.net.au wrote on 4/22/01 6:30 AM:

> I have two macs, Mac 1 has a network card and so connects into my 10baseT
> network (which also has an internet connection). Mac 2 doesn't have a
> network card but I have a localtalk (serial) connection between the two
> macs.
> 
> Is it possible to get Mac 2 to communicate with the 10bT network through Mac
> 1? Would I need some bridging software?
> 
> Mac 1 is a IIsi with 20 MHz 68030, 5 megs RAM, 80 meg hard disk, System
> 7.5.3 with Open Transport
> 
> Mac 2 is a LC475 with 25 MHz 68LC040, 4 megs RAM, 250 meg hard disk, System
> 7.1 but will probably upgrade to 7.5.3 soon.
> 
> So you see Mac 2 is faster, I'd like to be able to use it on the net.
> 
> Simon.
> 
> 

Yes it is possible with a product the provide Appletalk (MacIP) gateway
(Apple Internet Gateway is the program) facilities. But It is ugly and very
slow. Vicom can also provide this....You could probably find a version for
68k machines like your 11si... But...

Best to pick up a PDS network card for your 475. You should be able to find
one Second/hand for about $15. I presume you have a hub already.

But better still, how about moving into the 21st century and pick up a
Second Hand Powermac. You could pick up a 6100 for around $100. Crap machine
still but better than a 68k machine. Moving up around the $200 range you
could get a PCI powermac running from 90Mhz to 132Mhz (7200 -7300
ranges)....

Time to upgrade really... Imagine the software you could then use (isn't
everything PPC native exclusively now? Well the good stuff is anyway....)


Charlie

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:30:36 -0600, Simon Biber wrote
(in message <M5mE6.5822$ff.45644@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):

> I have two macs, Mac 1 has a network card and so connects into my 10baseT
> network (which also has an internet connection). Mac 2 doesn't have a
> network card but I have a localtalk (serial) connection between the two
> macs.
> 
> Is it possible to get Mac 2 to communicate with the 10bT network through Mac
> 1? Would I need some bridging software?
> 
> Mac 1 is a IIsi with 20 MHz 68030, 5 megs RAM, 80 meg hard disk, System
> 7.5.3 with Open Transport
> 
> Mac 2 is a LC475 with 25 MHz 68LC040, 4 megs RAM, 250 meg hard disk, System
> 7.1 but will probably upgrade to 7.5.3 soon.
> 
> So you see Mac 2 is faster, I'd like to be able to use it on the net.
> 
> Simon.
> 
> 

I am using IPNetRouter from http://www.sustworks.com to route tcp/ip from 
localtalk to 10bt.  They have a 68k version you may have to do a little 
upgrading on the machines, OS wise, maybe memory wise.  They were a lot 
cheaper than vicomsoft. $49 to $89 I think.  Anway hope that helps.

--Troy

> Yes it is possible with a product the provide Appletalk (MacIP) gateway
> (Apple Internet Gateway is the program) facilities. But It is ugly and
very
> slow. Vicom can also provide this....You could probably find a version for
> 68k machines like your 11si... But...

The program IPNetRouter which was suggested by Troy looks reasonable:
http://www.sustworks.com/site/prod_ipr_overview.html

> Best to pick up a PDS network card for your 475. You should be able to
find
> one Second/hand for about $15. I presume you have a hub already.

The problem is that my PDS slot is already in use with an Apple IIe Card.
I'd really like to keep that card in the machine. Is there another way to
connect the computer to use TCP/IP on the Ethernet?

> But better still, how about moving into the 21st century and pick up a
> Second Hand Powermac. You could pick up a 6100 for around $100. Crap
machine
> still but better than a 68k machine. Moving up around the $200 range you
> could get a PCI powermac running from 90Mhz to 132Mhz (7200 -7300
> ranges)....

Is that AUD or USD? I'll have a look through the trading posts.

> Time to upgrade really... Imagine the software you could then use (isn't
> everything PPC native exclusively now? Well the good stuff is anyway....)

It's fun playing around with older computers though :-)

Simon.

> I am using IPNetRouter from http://www.sustworks.com to route tcp/ip from
> localtalk to 10bt.  They have a 68k version you may have to do a little
> upgrading on the machines, OS wise, maybe memory wise.  They were a lot
> cheaper than vicomsoft. $49 to $89 I think.  Anway hope that helps.

It looks good. It seems my OS is fine; minimum is a 68030 with System 7.5.3
which is exactly what my IIsi has. I do want to upgrade its memory though.

Simon

On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:56:13 GMT, "Simon Biber"
<xbiber@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

>> Yes it is possible with a product the provide Appletalk (MacIP) gateway
>> (Apple Internet Gateway is the program) facilities. But It is ugly and
>very
>> slow. Vicom can also provide this....You could probably find a version for
>> 68k machines like your 11si... But...
>
>The program IPNetRouter which was suggested by Troy looks reasonable:
>http://www.sustworks.com/site/prod_ipr_overview.html
>
>> Best to pick up a PDS network card for your 475. You should be able to
>find
>> one Second/hand for about $15. I presume you have a hub already.
>
>The problem is that my PDS slot is already in use with an Apple IIe Card.
>I'd really like to keep that card in the machine. Is there another way to
>connect the computer to use TCP/IP on the Ethernet?
You could always grab another machine for the IIe card.  I see LCs
around quite often for around AU$10.  I've also seen a lot of 475s
around at the swap meets lately.  Generally with ethernet cards for
around AU$20.  

I started with one of these 475s.  With 4MB ram Sys 7.5.3 was pretty
unusable.  Upgrading to 12MB was better, but internet apps (such as
netscape 3) were pretty unstable.  20MB was much better.  A full 040
also helps.  My 475 started  with an LC040, 4MB ram and a 250MB hdd,
since then I've upgraded it to a full 040 @ 33Mhz, 36MB ram and a
500MB hdd.

If for whatever reason you don't want to get another machine you could
add an SCSI ethernet adapter to your 475 and still keep the IIe card
in the PDS slot.  I've got 1 around somewhere that I eventually plan
to use on my Mac Plus.

> You could always grab another machine for the IIe card.  I see LCs
> around quite often for around AU$10.  I've also seen a lot of 475s
> around at the swap meets lately.  Generally with ethernet cards for
> around AU$20.

That sounds great, where are the swap meets you're talking about?

> I started with one of these 475s.  With 4MB ram Sys 7.5.3 was pretty
> unusable.  Upgrading to 12MB was better, but internet apps (such as
> netscape 3) were pretty unstable.  20MB was much better.  A full 040
> also helps.  My 475 started  with an LC040, 4MB ram and a 250MB hdd,
> since then I've upgraded it to a full 040 @ 33Mhz, 36MB ram and a
> 500MB hdd.

I started with a Mac Plus. I'm thinking of upgrading the memory in these
computers. I need four 8 or 16 meg 30-pin SIMMs for my IIsi, they aren't
easy to find though.

> If for whatever reason you don't want to get another machine you could
> add an SCSI ethernet adapter to your 475 and still keep the IIe card
> in the PDS slot.  I've got 1 around somewhere that I eventually plan
> to use on my Mac Plus.

Do those SCSI ethernet adapters work with Open Transport or would I be
limited to classic networking?

Actually I'm thinking of one for my Mac Plus, which can't use OT anyway.

Simon.