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So, you mean like Kroger and one other chain in this area already
provide?



Elton John wrote:
> 
> I'm posting this to see if there is interest enough in this type of
> service to pursue it.  Actually, not for me to pursue, but for a relative.
> 
> Here's the senario:  you are out of groceries (or soon to be out) and you
> really don't want to go to the store because first of all, you have to go,
> second, you have to walk all around the store, then you have to wait in
> line to pay.  You think to yourself, "It would really be nice if I could
> have them delivered to my house."
>         So how many of you would actually use an online service (a
> webpage) where you can order groceries (mainly non-perishables) over the
> internet and pay with a credit card and have them shipped via UPS or FedEx
> 2nd or 3rd day?  What if they were about 30%-50% less than grocery store
> prices?
>         I know college students have neither much money nor much time, so
> it wouod be ideal for them.  But for those who are not students, would you
> use it?
> 
> Thanks for any feedback you can give me.
> --
> Christopher Eaker
> Civil Engineering Student in the Cooperative Education Program
> Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia
> Lab Instructor for EGR1170 AutoCAD Lab

the only reason stores do it now is to keep their customers.....it's next to
impossible to make any money with grocery delivery.....take a look at the
carry-out pizza model to see what I mean...the people, like Peapod, who have
been moderately (or less) successful rely on beer/liquor/and other high markup
items to stay afloat....I thought about it myself when I was in school...

if you're really interested, there are plenty of articles about the phenomenon
in supermarket-related magazines......yep, they're out there...like this
one...

http://www.progressivegrocer.com/

Good luck.  I hope you make phatt cash!  And if you need help on the
e-commerce/web end, just drop me a line.....

Elton John wrote:

> I'm posting this to see if there is interest enough in this type of
> service to pursue it.  Actually, not for me to pursue, but for a relative.
>
> Here's the senario:  you are out of groceries (or soon to be out) and you
> really don't want to go to the store because first of all, you have to go,
> second, you have to walk all around the store, then you have to wait in
> line to pay.  You think to yourself, "It would really be nice if I could
> have them delivered to my house."
>         So how many of you would actually use an online service (a
> webpage) where you can order groceries (mainly non-perishables) over the
> internet and pay with a credit card and have them shipped via UPS or FedEx
> 2nd or 3rd day?  What if they were about 30%-50% less than grocery store
> prices?
>         I know college students have neither much money nor much time, so
> it wouod be ideal for them.  But for those who are not students, would you
> use it?
>
> Thanks for any feedback you can give me.
> --
> Christopher Eaker
> Civil Engineering Student in the Cooperative Education Program
> Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia
> Lab Instructor for EGR1170 AutoCAD Lab



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In article <6oajjs$jtv@catapult.gatech.edu>,
Adam W. Lotz <al49@acmey.gatech.edu> wrote:
) country, let's say Atlanta, Chicago, NY, etc... You know, places that are
) traditionally a pain in the ass to get around.

FYI, NY is not in the least a pain to get around, and I'm told Chicago
isn't either.
-- 
                                                       lil' cow
Roy Rodenstein --                                        /\_/\
royrod@cc.gatech.edu                                    ( o.o )
                                                         > ^ <

In atl.general Roy "Poyo" Rodenstein <gt2243a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> In article <6oajjs$jtv@catapult.gatech.edu>,
> Adam W. Lotz <al49@acmey.gatech.edu> wrote:
> ) country, let's say Atlanta, Chicago, NY, etc... You know, places that are
> ) traditionally a pain in the ass to get around.

> FYI, NY is not in the least a pain to get around, and I'm told Chicago
> isn't either.

In Chicago (Rogers Park), I had one large grocery store a block and a half
away, a small one five blocks away, and a full-service supermarket
within a long walk's distance, or just off the El stop.

You may be referring to Chicago being a pain to get around in, in a car. I
don't know. I lived there five years and not once seriously wished I had a
car. 

If only Atlanta would learn how to do that ...



Mike Stucka / stucka at bellsouth.net
This person runs on ethanol, an environmentally friendly alternative fuel. 

You might have more success with a service where the groceries are
picked and paid for online and boxed at the store.  The customer
then just has to stop by the store and pick up the box.  It'd be
even easier if there was some sort of drive-up entrance where the
attendant would just toss the box in your trunk for you.

That would save me quite a bit of time over standing in line at
Kroger, and I could pick up the stuff when I was in that part of
town anyway.  I don't know how much extra I'd pay, if any.
If it were free, I'd be more likely to swing by that store rather than
a slightly closer one.

        -Dan

 
"`""`"""`""""`"""""`""""""`"""""""`""""""""`"""""""""`""""""""""`
Daniel O'Toole           |Short cuts through dark alleys are not  
gt6102b@prism.gatech.edu |so short when a guy beats hell out of 
                         |you and takes your wallet.  -unknown  
   

In git.general Elton John <gt5879c@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
: 	So how many of you would actually use an online service (a
: webpage) where you can order groceries (mainly non-perishables) over the
: internet and pay with a credit card and have them shipped via UPS or FedEx
: 2nd or 3rd day?  What if they were about 30%-50% less than grocery store
: prices?

Perishables are necessary.  Shipped via UPS or FedEx...it would be an odd
paradigm to have your groceries delivered that way.....

-- 
jason kau				"Snow on Easter Sunday
jason.kau@btc.gatech.edu		 Jesus Christ in reverse" 
http://www.btc.gatech.edu/~jkau			- Mark E. Smith

>I'm posting this to see if there is interest enough in this type of
>service to pursue it.  Actually, not for me to pursue, but for a relative.
>
>Here's the senario:  you are out of groceries (or soon to be out) and you
>really don't want to go to the store because first of all, you have to go,
>second, you have to walk all around the store, then you have to wait in
>line to pay.  You think to yourself, "It would really be nice if I could
>have them delivered to my house."
>	So how many of you would actually use an online service (a
>webpage) where you can order groceries (mainly non-perishables) over the
>internet and pay with a credit card and have them shipped via UPS or FedEx
>2nd or 3rd day?  What if they were about 30%-50% less than grocery store
>prices?
>	I know college students have neither much money nor much time, so
>it wouod be ideal for them.  But for those who are not students, would you
>use it?
>
>Thanks for any feedback you can give me.
>-- 
>Christopher Eaker
>Civil Engineering Student in the Cooperative Education Program
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia
>Lab Instructor for EGR1170 AutoCAD Lab

  Have you ever heard of AmWay. This idea was tried 20 or 30 years ago. The
only difference is that they didn't have the internet as a medium. The ordering
was done via telephone. Many people think that Amway only sold cleaning
products, but they were initially trying to market all household products,
including foodstuffs. It worked well for the elderly that were unable to get
out to the store. A local delivery person would delivery the goods to the home.

  The American love affair with the automobile and the thousands of little
convenience type stores killed Amways grand plan. The large supermarket chains
were against the idea from the start. They realized that if it got a foothold,
they might lose millions. The marketing strategy used at the checkout register,
(P)oint (O)f (S)ale marketing, would have been a bust. People, inevitably
forget something when they get to the register. So the supermarkets puts the
most common items at the register, so the consumer can have a "last chance" to
buy. 
  Another problem that arises is the inability to comparison shop. The consumer
would be locked into the items offered at one location or store. If store #1
offers the item at XX dollars, and store #2 offers the same item at 1 dollar
less, will store #1 ofer the item at the lower price or will the consumer pay
the higher price for the convenience? The difference could be considerable.

D. Taylor

On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 04:49:04 GMT, kudzu@worldnet.att.net (Kudzu)
wrote:

:Try doing it using liquor and beer rather than
:groceries................

A small store in my hometown {not around here} tried it.  They had a
deal with a local pizza place, so you could get your pizza, chips, and
beer all in one delivery.  The issue they came across was underage
kids ordering pizza and beer, then cancelling the whole order when the
delivery guy carded them and wouldn't sell to 'em.

/nad

In article <6o8uft$1j3@acmey.gatech.edu>,
Elton John <gt5879c@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>	So how many of you would actually use an online service (a
>webpage) where you can order groceries (mainly non-perishables) over the
>internet and pay with a credit card and have them shipped via UPS or FedEx
>2nd or 3rd day?  What if they were about 30%-50% less than grocery store
>prices?

I doubt I'd use this service if I still had to go to the store to buy
milk and juice.  That is unless the grocery bill was significantly
cheaper after postage.

I would, however, pay up to 10% more to have perishable and non-
perishable groceries delivered to my door by the local store.
The only problem with that is that the produce and meat selector
would have to do a good job.  The second I received dark chicken
or a bruised apple would be the last time I used the service.

	-Dan

 
"`""`"""`""""`"""""`""""""`"""""""`""""""""`"""""""""`""""""""""`
Daniel O'Toole           |Short cuts through dark alleys are not  
gt6102b@prism.gatech.edu |so short when a guy beats hell out of 
                         |you and takes your wallet.  -unknown  

In article <6o9jri$sjj@acmey.gatech.edu>,
Daniel O'Toole <gt6102b@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
) The only problem with that is that the produce and meat selector
) would have to do a good job.  The second I received dark chicken

I found a good mail-order frozen-food place. They have all kinds of
chicken, pork, fish and beef, potatoes, lasagna, cakes and other stuff.
I've tried many different things and all have been of excellent quality.
They're not cheap but not terrible, and have a flat $10 shipping charge.
You also get lots of dry ice with the shipment, which is fun to put in
your sink with some water to get big clouds of steam floating across your
kitchen counters- just don't _touch_ the dry ice :) No, I'm not affiliated
with them in any way.

http://www.omahasteaks.com
-- 
                                                       lil' cow
Roy Rodenstein --                                        /\_/\
royrod@cc.gatech.edu                                    ( o.o )
                                                         > ^ <

I don't know about the 2nd or 3rd day shipping thing.  I generally would
want it guaranteed in the same day.  And I would want perishable items
included.  I think one of the major grocers here in Atlanta used to provide
home delivery, using phone-based orders.  I don't remember who it was or if
they still do it.  I know there were times when I had been sick or otherwise
unable to go out for necessities.  Under those circumstances, I wouldn't
mind paying a service charge.

I think there's something called "NetGrocer" available, but I never looked
at them.

epp

Elton John wrote in message <6o8uft$1j3@acmey.gatech.edu>...
>I'm posting this to see if there is interest enough in this type of
>service to pursue it.  Actually, not for me to pursue, but for a relative.

: 	So how many of you would actually use an online service (a
: webpage) where you can order groceries (mainly non-perishables) over the
: internet and pay with a credit card and have them shipped via UPS or FedEx
: 2nd or 3rd day?  What if they were about 30%-50% less than grocery store
: prices?

This idea sounds half-baked to me. <chuckle> How exactly would you justify
shipping a case of coke?  (18 lbs)  Or anything perishable?  If I ordered
three cases of coke and, say, a bag of dog food (in case I got hungry
after drinking all that coke ;-) the "food" bill would be $25, and the
"shipping" bill would be $90.  It would have to be shipped in some sort of
monstrous, indestructable box, and then what would I do with THAT when it
finally showed up?  Carry it home from the post office? hehehehe.

The only way it would work is if you teamed up with some sort of delivery
service.  For instance, you could choose some major cities around the
country, let's say Atlanta, Chicago, NY, etc... You know, places that are
traditionally a pain in the ass to get around.  Then you could put up a
big website, and let people "shop" online.  You could pick out products,
click them into your shopping basket.  Hey, maybe you could even use
coupons.  You'd pay for them with a credit card, plus a 10% surcharge that
would also guarantee you delivery within one day, at a time you specify.

Well, this _did_ happen in atlanta.  I'm pretty sure one of the Sunday
papers 6-7 months back had a front-page spread on the service - probably
in the technology section.  Then, 3 or 4 months later, there was a
slightly smaller story, that basically said the company folded because no
one cared.  It was a good deal, and a good idea, but nobody chose to use
it.  Maybe I'm wrong - it might still be around.  And like someone else
mentioned, I thought Kroger themselves offered some sort of service like
this... 

I remember sitting in somebody's room, and we were clicking on stuff, and
saying how cool it was, and then we realized that if we *drove* the 5
miles to Kroger, we could have our food in 30 mins, instead of 24 hours.

Why bother?  Unless the product is unique, *really good*, and priced
attractively, there's really not much of a reason to shop for groceries
online.  It's not like anyone is typically THAT far from a grocery store.

Adam

--
Adam W. Lotz
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
Internet: al49@prism.gatech.edu

I just visited NetGrocer.  The first thing I noticed was the very small
selection.  Tell your relative that if he/she decides to pursue, selection
and convenience are critical.  Cost is important, but I suspect that many
people are willing to pay a little bit more money if the service saves them
time.  That's pretty much the way I shop; I look at whether or not a service
saves me one of the two things I have constantly watch -- time and/or money.

epp

Enrique Pineda wrote in message <6oahv6$k35@examiner.concentric.net>...
>I don't know about the 2nd or 3rd day shipping thing.  I generally would
>want it guaranteed in the same day.  And I would want perishable items
>included.  I think one of the major grocers here in Atlanta used to provide

Elton John wrote:
> 
> I'm posting this to see if there is interest enough in this type of
> service to pursue it.  Actually, not for me to pursue, but for a relative.
> 
> Here's the senario:  you are out of groceries (or soon to be out) and you
> really don't want to go to the store because first of all, you have to go,
> second, you have to walk all around the store, then you have to wait in
> line to pay.  You think to yourself, "It would really be nice if I could
> have them delivered to my house."
>         So how many of you would actually use an online service (a
> webpage) where you can order groceries (mainly non-perishables) over the
> internet and pay with a credit card and have them shipped via UPS or FedEx
> 2nd or 3rd day?  What if they were about 30%-50% less than grocery store
> prices?


What makes you think they could charge 30-50% less than grocery stores
for staples?  Typical large grocery chains set prices 20-30% above
manufacturer costs (lower with loss-leader sale items), and they get
high volume discounts from the manufacturers.  Your friend would likely
be buying at prices well above what Kroger pays until they got to be
very large.



>         I know college students have neither much money nor much time, so
> it wouod be ideal for them.  But for those who are not students, would you
> use it?

I started to do a trial order from Kroger's service, Shoppers' Express
(?), sometime last year, but I got partway in and realized they didn't
offer a lot of the items we routinely buy, so I would have to go to the
store anyway.  Same with Peapod,  plus they charge a "membership" fee,
whether you use the service or not.

Neither is available in Atlanta at this time, so my guess is others were
similarly unimpressed.  SSM


> 
> Thanks for any feedback you can give me.
> --
> Christopher Eaker
> Civil Engineering Student in the Cooperative Education Program
> Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia
> Lab Instructor for EGR1170 AutoCAD Lab

Dewey Decimal <bob@angband.org> writes:


>how lazy can one be?

Okay.  Lets see YOU haul home $100.00 of groceries via MARTA on both a train 
and a bus! :)  Since I MARTA, I have to make an average of two trips a week
to keep from needing to do a large run.  Plus, I have to plan my trips, so
I don't end up needing too many very heavy things at one time.  No gallon
of milk and watermelon at the same time for me!  I would love to have
someone deliver my groceries to me, although what I have seen of the 
internet groceries has yet to impress me.

Oh well, back to the thesis.

Brian
         
-- 
Brian "Egon" Smith  | "You always did do weird things"
                    |  
                    | Sayeth my younger sister.

In atl.general Brian Andrew Smith <gt0013a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> Dewey Decimal <bob@angband.org> writes:
>>how lazy can one be?
> Okay.  Lets see YOU haul home $100.00 of groceries via MARTA on both a train 
> and a bus! :)  Since I MARTA, I have to make an average of two trips a week
> to keep from needing to do a large run.

Four words for you:
Army bag with strap.

You can jam an awful lot of canned and boxed stuff in one of those, then
use bags for the delicate items (bread) or as a counterweight. It'll pay
for itself quickly, I imagine. :)

Another possibility was one my mom had said she'd used in college -- walk
to the store (or, in your case, ride) with a bunch of friends/neighbors,
then the three or four of you chip in for a cab ride on the way back.


Mike, remembering trudging a mile through Chicago slush with a
Thanksgiving dinner for five

In article <6od3vl$6or@catapult.gatech.edu>,
Andrew L. Jenks <gt2578b@acmey.gatech.edu> wrote:
) Roy "Poyo" Rodenstein (gt2243a@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
) : kitchen counters- just don't _touch_ the dry ice :) No, I'm not affiliated
) 
) You can keep dry ice in your mouth if you keep it moving.

that would be in accordance with thermodynamics, yes :)
  
) Yes, I have.  Yes, I was drunk.

I once drank some hydrochloric acid. No, I wasn't drunk. I was 10.
Made my tongue look pretty twisted, I'll tell ya that. Went away in about
a week.
-- 
                                                       lil' cow
Roy Rodenstein --                                        /\_/\
royrod@cc.gatech.edu                                    ( o.o )
                                                         > ^ <

gt2243a@prism.gatech.edu (Roy "Poyo" Rodenstein) writes:

>I once drank some hydrochloric acid. No, I wasn't drunk. I was 10.
>Made my tongue look pretty twisted, I'll tell ya that. Went away in about
>a week.

At the risk of asking the obvious......Where did you get HCL at 10?  Of course
as a further extension of this logic, there is little difference between
a 10 yr old male, and a drunken college student! :-)

Egon  
-- 
Brian "Egon" Smith  | "You always did do weird things"
                    |  
                    | Sayeth my younger sister.

In article <6odp24$hc3@acmey.gatech.edu>,
Brian Andrew Smith <gt0013a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
) At the risk of asking the obvious......Where did you get HCL at 10?

I think I forgot to mention that I didn't drink it on purpose. I was
pipetting and hiccuped :| It was for a science project.
-- 
                                                       lil' cow
Roy Rodenstein --                                        /\_/\
royrod@cc.gatech.edu                                    ( o.o )
                                                         > ^ <

In git.general Brian Andrew Smith <gt0013a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> Okay.  Lets see YOU haul home $100.00 of groceries via MARTA on both a train 
> and a bus! :)  

I don't understand how a single person can spend $100 a week on groceries.
I buy for two people, and rarely wind up spending more than $70.  

Back when I did shopping just for myself, it was closer to $30-40...

> I would love to have
> someone deliver my groceries to me, although what I have seen of the 
> internet groceries has yet to impress me.

That's my problem with it...you'd tend to get low-quality goods at high
prices.  I'd say just buy a car or get someone to take you to the store...


Mitch
-- 
Mitch Kispert						miotch@angband.org

	"You couldn't hang if you was bit by a radioactive spider"
						-- Bigg Jus

a-ha!  You took the words from my mouth!  We used to have a 'pick-up your
staples' drive-thru type of thing back in Jersey and it seemed to do quite
well....but I believe it has since gone away......you drive up, say "Give
me a gallon of whole milk, 2 dozen Grade quadruple-A eggs, and some
twinkies", you pay, clerk hands over the goods, and you're on your way -
all in about 2-3 minutes.  It was convenient for mom, cause she didn't
have to trudge into a super'Castle' with me and my bratty brother just for
some milk/etc.  Prices were marked-up slightly, but convenience was worth
it.

What do we think about that?

Note:  At first, no internet shopping and other advanced features are
available, but later, yes.  A drive-thru lane for pre-packaged orders, and
the other for the impromptu's.

Daniel O'Toole wrote:

> You might have more success with a service where the groceries are
> picked and paid for online and boxed at the store.  The customer
> then just has to stop by the store and pick up the box.  It'd be
> even easier if there was some sort of drive-up entrance where the
> attendant would just toss the box in your trunk for you.
>
> That would save me quite a bit of time over standing in line at
> Kroger, and I could pick up the stuff when I was in that part of
> town anyway.  I don't know how much extra I'd pay, if any.
> If it were free, I'd be more likely to swing by that store rather than
> a slightly closer one.
>
>         -Dan
>
>
> "`""`"""`""""`"""""`""""""`"""""""`""""""""`"""""""""`""""""""""`
> Daniel O'Toole           |Short cuts through dark alleys are not
> gt6102b@prism.gatech.edu |so short when a guy beats hell out of
>                          |you and takes your wallet.  -unknown

Roy "Poyo" Rodenstein (gt2243a@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
: kitchen counters- just don't _touch_ the dry ice :) No, I'm not affiliated

You can keep dry ice in your mouth if you keep it moving.

Yes, I have.  Yes, I was drunk.

--Me

Basha's in Phoenix, AZ offers this service. When I lived there my main
concerns were:

1) it costs me extra to do this. Not such a problem since they're bringing it
to my door. 2) quality of Vegetables and Meats which I would receive. If I
have someone being paid directly by me (a maid or cook or someone who does my
shopping for me on a regular basis), then I would trust them to select decent
vegetables and meats. I don't trust the kid at the store (or even the store,
itself) to pick the nicest cuts of meats or the best produce.

Have a good day.

Brad

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In git.general Elton John <gt5879c@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
<snip>

how lazy can one be?

bob

On 11 Jul 1998 20:03:09 -0400, gt5879c@prism.gatech.edu (Elton John)
wrote:

>I'm posting this to see if there is interest enough in this type of
>service to pursue it.  Actually, not for me to pursue, but for a relative.

EJ, babe, you have your hands in too many areas.

Keep playin the ivories, that's all we ask!

HB

On 13 Jul 1998 22:52:20 GMT, Killian Darkwater <miotch@angband.org> wrote:
>In git.general Brian Andrew Smith <gt0013a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>> Okay.  Lets see YOU haul home $100.00 of groceries via MARTA on both a train 
>> and a bus! :)  
>
>I don't understand how a single person can spend $100 a week on groceries.
>I buy for two people, and rarely wind up spending more than $70.  

It's called a high metabolism rate. :)
I eat about four times a day.  It gets expensive.

	-Chris

Killian Darkwater <miotch@angband.org> writes:

>In git.general Brian Andrew Smith <gt0013a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>> Okay.  Lets see YOU haul home $100.00 of groceries via MARTA on both a train 
>> and a bus! :)  

>I don't understand how a single person can spend $100 a week on groceries.
>I buy for two people, and rarely wind up spending more than $70.  

>Back when I did shopping just for myself, it was closer to $30-40...

The $100.00 bit refers to how I used to do my shopping, which was with a
roommate, and I would buy for the month!


-- 
Brian "Egon" Smith  | "You always did do weird things"
                    |  
                    | Sayeth my younger sister.

In article <slrn6qmes1.88l.lurker@thompson.resnet.gatech.edu>,
Lurker <lurker@thompson.resnet.gatech.edu> wrote:
) It's called a high metabolism rate. :)
) I eat about four times a day.  It gets expensive.

Assuming you're not CS, switch to CS and you'll be freed from eating four
times a day. It may be painful, but it'll happen ;)
-- 
                                                       lil' cow
Roy Rodenstein --                                        /\_/\
royrod@cc.gatech.edu                                    ( o.o )
                                                         > ^ <

In git.general Lurker <lurker@thompson.resnet.gatech.edu> wrote:
> It's called a high metabolism rate. :)
> I eat about four times a day.  It gets expensive.

Hmmmm...makes sense.  I've got pretty low metabolism, and usually eat once
a day...if that.  :)


Mitch
-- 
Mitch Kispert						miotch@angband.org

       You're not an alcoholic unless you go to the meetings.

Mitch (miotch@angband.org) wrote:
: In git.general Lurker <lurker@thompson.resnet.gatech.edu> wrote:
: > It's called a high metabolism rate. :)
: > I eat about four times a day.  It gets expensive.

: Hmmmm...makes sense.  I've got pretty low metabolism, and usually eat once
: a day...if that.  :)

i have a high metabolism, and i just starve :)

mkesm y life os muych lkjsdfkjh words go here.

makes my life so much easier.

--dan

-----
Never mess with magic,
never deal with dragons,
and never fall in love.

In git.general Roy "Poyo" Rodenstein <gt2243a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
: I once drank some hydrochloric acid. No, I wasn't drunk. I was 10.
: Made my tongue look pretty twisted, I'll tell ya that. Went away in about
: a week.

Your tongue?  :)

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