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Started by k p c
Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:14
gnus versions
Author: k p c
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:14
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:14
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in hopes of clearing things up... this is my understanding of what versions are available and the status of each. please make corrections if you know any. i've sent this to masanobu umeda already. gnus in general masanobu umeda thought by many to be the best of the 3 emacs newsreaders gnews, rnews, and gnus. data structures and ui are a mixture. bad things: some behavior depends on summary buffer contents, while other behavior depends on lists; some marks and their behavior are hardcoded; the summary lines can't be changed too much; and the summary and article keymaps are different. the "u" key has nice semantics but not those of most emacs packages, so in my version i rebind it to "'" and assign unmarking to "u". can be made faster. works with nntp and spools. more or less compatible with vm, mh-e, and rmail. customizable and friendly. medium effort required to set up initially but easy to debug afterwards. no virtual newsgroups at present, but two topics packages have been written (one for hierarchy, one for arbitrary topics; i don't use them since i'd prefer simple (superset) virtual newsgroups). 3.14.1 current masanobu umeda works. released. basis for most other versions, including 3.14.3. minor bugs include windows after mailing and default distribution. many bugs fixed by posted contributions. new features written for it include sortgnus (nice newsgroup sorter by frequency), gnus-user-tale, gnus-speedups, joe wells' patches, gnus-mark, gnus-hide, and other things. 3.14.3 beta. masanobu umeda available in japan. works. compatible with 3.14.1 version (almost no hacking is necessary to get it to work with 3.14.1 code, even data structure dependent code). just released. will be basis for v19 (gnu emacs version 19) version. author says not to put it on non japanese ftp sites since it's not ready yet. speed and other improvements over 3.14.1. does not include most contributed code but seems to work with that code. gnus2 v0.33 alpha? scott ballantyne only available to hackers. requires nov and other c code. author says it's much faster than 3.14.1. works with news overview database. comes with a disclaimer that says that it's deliberately not made "plug and go". i wasn't able to get it to work in a reasonable amount of time but some people apparently use it. (including eff people?). mostly incompatible with 3.14.1, eff, 3.14.3, and most packages. best for unix, c, and elisp hackers who don't mind incompatible, possibly shaky code. author seems to be most interested in speed. no release date known. although the promise of speed is alluring, i've decided not to use this version. other versions of gnus are being worked on for speed too, and they are more standard. 3.1?.? available in v19? masanobu umeda gnu emacs version 19 version. based on 3.14.3. nomenclature changes. release date known? speed changes? works? eff available at eff ??? 3.14.1 with joe wells' hacks and most of the packages written for 3.14.1. works. basically a replacement for 3.14.1 and some of the contributed hacks many people have collected. gnus-kpc unavailable me since 1986 i have been working (usually only in rare spare moments) on ideas for a newsreader interface that incorporates machine learning and some other ui ideas. a couple of these ideas are implemented on top of gnus 3.14.3 + eff + packages. it's not available, unfortunately, but i hope it will be sometime. works. few known bugs. few users and hence idiosyncratic. could use speed. just wanted to let other ui/ai people know of its existence. i'm not doing anything that requires data structure or gnus source changes (hence i'm not doing virtual newsgroups). (some of the above is my opinion. some of it might be incorrect. there are no warranties or guarantees of any type whatsoever. it is void where prohibited. you use it entirely at your own risk.) -- i'm open to comparing research career notes with other cogsci/cogneuro people.
Re: gnus versions
Author: k p c
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:32
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:32
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a correction: posted corrections to the above summary are preferred to emailed corrections. -- i'm open to comparing research career notes with other cogsci/cogneuro people.
Re: gnus versions
Author: Christopher Davis
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:24
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:24
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kpc> == k p c <kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov> kpc> in hopes of clearing things up... kpc> this is my understanding of what versions are available and the status kpc> of each. please make corrections if you know any. i've sent this to kpc> masanobu umeda already. [...] kpc> gnus2 v0.33 alpha? scott ballantyne kpc> only available to hackers. requires nov and other c code. kpc> author says it's much faster than 3.14.1. works with news kpc> overview database. comes with a disclaimer that says that kpc> it's deliberately not made "plug and go". i wasn't able to kpc> get it to work in a reasonable amount of time but some people kpc> apparently use it. (including eff people?). [...] I haven't had time to try it yet. Other things have taken priority. (I haven't installed the nov database yet anyway, so GNUS2 wouldn't do much good to me, would it?) kpc> eff available at eff ??? kpc> 3.14.1 with joe wells' hacks and most of the packages written kpc> for 3.14.1. works. basically a replacement for 3.14.1 and kpc> some of the contributed hacks many people have collected. This is just a marginal cleanup & minor bug fix deal, bundled with some of the better (IMHO) add-ons (including a properly-working version of gnus-user-tale.el). I "maintain" it as much as anyone can be said to; basically I just figured I'd leverage the work I did on the local installation so people elsewhere could take advantage of it. It's not likely to get any more work (in particular, I'm not likely to update it to be in sync with 3.14.3 or gnus2) but is not a bad place to start from if you're installing a "production" GNUS system today. The add-ons and patches are not documented but a good diff -cr against the "regular" 3.14.1 release might be illuminating :) It's ftpable as ftp.eff.org:/users/ckd/gnus3.14.1.eff.01.tar.Z. -- * Christopher Davis * <ckd@eff.org> * <ckd@kei.com> * [CKD1] * MIME * RIPEM *
Re: gnus versions
Author: Jussi-Pekka Mantere
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:23
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:23
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k p c <kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov> writes: this is my understanding of what versions are available and the status of each. [Descriptions of the various versions deleted] Is there any chance of seeing some of the functionality of GNUS2 (first and foremost (IMHO), the ablity to use the Netnews Overview files, either locally or via NNTP) in GNUS 3.14.? or GNUS 3.? ? Or even a merge of the two? Best Regards, Jussi-Pekka Mantere
Re: gnus versions
Author: k p c
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:27
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:27
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i don't know, but according to masanobu umeda, there are speedup changes in 3.14.3, and i gave him scott ballantyne's address so it's possible. -- i'm open to comparing research career notes with other cogsci/cogneuro people.
Re: gnus versions
Author: Scott Ballantyne
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:36
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:36
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In article <CKD.93Jan22182456@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes: I haven't had time to try it yet. Other things have taken priority. (I haven't installed the nov database yet anyway, so GNUS2 wouldn't do much good to me, would it?) Actually, GNUS2 biggest efficiency wins are in sorting and threading (if I may plug my own software, here.) Header retrieval is much faster if you have nov or an XOVER'ing nntpd. But even with gnus3.14, the time spent getting headers is dwarfed by comparison with the time spent threading and sorting. GNUS2 can retrieve, sort and thread approx 500 articles in 47 seconds (on a sun 3/60). The same process with Gnus3.14 takes close to 7 minutes (both using NOV spool access to get the articles). I believe the threading is better also. GNUS2 doesn't orphan articles whose parents have expired, for example. So you don't need NOV to benefit :-) sdb --- sdb@ssr.com
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