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On 22 Nov 2004 22:10:25 -0800, in van.general ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com
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>:-{P>First off I am not saying that all religious people are crazy. But here
>:-{P>are some things worth considering in this on going argument.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
>:-{P>there are a lot of similiarities. 
>:-{P>
>:-{P>1) OCD is a compulsion to think that if something is not done a particular
>:-{P>way or in a particular order, then it is wrong for the universe and 
>:-{P>the person cannot have justification for their actions otherwise. 
>:-{P>Hence they are compelled towards their behavior. 
>:-{P>
>:-{P>A religious person on the other hand often sees that for something in the
>:-{P>universe to have a particular order to it that we are some how compelled
>:-{P>to believe in a higher power, else the universe has no justification.
>:-{P>Hence they are also compelled to "spread the word" else they feel guilt,
>:-{P>just as OCD people are compelled to put controls on others to suit their
>:-{P>own beliefs.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>People from both camps practice irrational thought in order to justify
>:-{P>their existence. Insofar as that is concerned the behaviors and goals 
>:-{P>are the same even if the causes differ. All the education or positive
>:-{P>social behavior in the world (aka do good too others) cannot be used
>:-{P>as curtain behind which to hide issues of mental illness.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>2) Christianity existed before the bible. Much about the bible is
>:-{P>clearly irrational and contradictory, however people still believe
>:-{P>in it. The bible was not the origin of Christian thought, only a
>:-{P>collection of writings associated with it.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>The way that modern religions cling to biblical text is wrongful. 
>:-{P>The translation issue, the lack of proper canonization, the amount
>:-{P>of evidence that exists in dispute, the lack of physical evidence
>:-{P>to support the bible historically, and most of all the forgotten
>:-{P>fact that some of the old text was written in code to purposefully
>:-{P>decieve enemies reading it -- are all forgotten as they counter
>:-{P>delusional thoughts. And many religious zealots and leaders get
>:-{P>that way from having delusional ideals of grandour because they
>:-{P>believe they have divine right.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>This is more a testament to how many people are irrational in their
>:-{P>behavior out of a need for faith and some degree of order. That does
>:-{P>not make them mentally ill. However delusions and deception are the
>:-{P>tools of people who seek to control others, and the bible is a 
>:-{P>perfect example of that. God tends to show people the meaning
>:-{P>of his existence in other ways, and the bible is not the last 
>:-{P>world on that. If you have ever had such an experience then you
>:-{P>would understand this better. 
>:-{P>
>:-{P>Religious people are often the last to recognize that, and the
>:-{P>first to misinterpret such events when they occur.  
>:-{P>
>:-{P>3) There is little doubt that religion is a haven for the mentally
>:-{P>ill to hide within, but that does not mean people searching for
>:-{P>the meaning of the universe or a justification in a higher power
>:-{P>are ill. The need to distinguish the wack jobs from those simply
>:-{P>trying to be pious is important. Wack jobs on the other hand only
>:-{P>distinguish so as to justify persecution of the heretics. They
>:-{P>are clearly deluded, even if they act in the name of god or not.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>To qualify spiritual belief as a mental illness is wrong, because
>:-{P>it is a quest for knowledge. Religion on the other hand deals mostly
>:-{P>with blind faith, obedience, guilt, persecution, and hellfire so 
>:-{P>that it can warp the minds of its followers and create a cult or
>:-{P>occultic mentality. This latter practice is called brainwashing.
>:-{P>People who are brainwashed are considered mentally ill.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>Humanism is a logical and compassionate spiritual outlook, therefore
>:-{P>it has little place in religious evangelical organizations -- as the
>:-{P>practice of being "decent" goes against religious dogma and "faith".
>:-{P>But people blinded by religious hypnosis are conditioned to follow
>:-{P>only the "irrational logic" of the Bible or Quran. Humanism counters
>:-{P>the actions of dictators and tyrants, so therefore a humanist is
>:-{P>labelled as the "common enemy".
>:-{P>
>:-{P>When all is said and done, using god or religion as justification to
>:-{P>kill innocent people or those who dont believe what you believe is 
>:-{P>a wrongful basis of rational thought. Chances are high that if you
>:-{P>disagree with that line of reasoning, then you are most likely one
>:-{P>of those borderline wack jobs and you just dont realize it yet.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>Time to put the matter to rest and acknowledge that the first 
>:-{P>priority is decency and compassion, regardless of what god we 
>:-{P>come from. Otherwise the battles will never end, and the suffering
>:-{P>caused by wack jobs will never cease, and the mentally ill that
>:-{P>follow religion will never be cured.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>Just a few thoughts.......
>:-{P>
>:-{P>"Religion is like Alcohol. Everyone thinks you should have some, but
>:-{P>no one is willing to say anything when you have too much."
>:-{P>RSC

Another interesting quote, I forget who said it, went like this, "If you speak
to god you are religious, if he talks back your spiritual, and if you
believe...your nuts..." I forget the whole thing but it made a great point.

Speaking of cults and mental health, if you believe in space Aliens and start a
cult you can get press as a Scientologist to push Eugenics or as a Raelian to
push cloning.  But if you know or suspect those cults are using technology to
drive you mad, recruit you, pretend to be extraterrestrial or
counter-anthropromorphic, well just plain harass you you will be labelled nuts
and possibly hospitalized by those groups considered to be worth CNN's time.

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"Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
> First off I am not saying that all religious people are crazy. But here
> are some things worth considering in this on going argument.
>
> To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
> there are a lot of similiarities.
>
<SNIP>


YAWN....This is getting boring and silly, time to change the channel

PV

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:12:53 GMT, "pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net>
wrote:
>
>YAWN....This is getting boring and silly, time to change the channel
>
>PV

Hey, at least his post had content.

"Unexploded" <plaid@kaboom.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:12:53 GMT, "pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >YAWN....This is getting boring and silly, time to change the channel
> >
> >PV
>
> Hey, at least his post had content.

True but it seems to be the same content as the last few posts along this
line.  But full marks for not being a cut and paste of someone else's work

PV

I think it is the other way around. Religeon can create a sense of 
community and answers that contribute to peace of mind. It stores wisdom 
sorted out by centuries of thought for future generations. Sure - 
evolution and science has replaced many of the answers, and much of the 
older texts are out of date. But I think the one thing that has not 
changed over the centuries is human nature. This is the one area that 
religeon can still hold some answers.

Ghost of IT wrote:

>First off I am not saying that all religious people are crazy. But here
>are some things worth considering in this on going argument.
>
>To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
>there are a lot of similiarities. 
>
>1) OCD is a compulsion to think that if something is not done a particular
>way or in a particular order, then it is wrong for the universe and 
>the person cannot have justification for their actions otherwise. 
>Hence they are compelled towards their behavior. 
>
>A religious person on the other hand often sees that for something in the
>universe to have a particular order to it that we are some how compelled
>to believe in a higher power, else the universe has no justification.
>Hence they are also compelled to "spread the word" else they feel guilt,
>just as OCD people are compelled to put controls on others to suit their
>own beliefs.
>
>People from both camps practice irrational thought in order to justify
>their existence. Insofar as that is concerned the behaviors and goals 
>are the same even if the causes differ. All the education or positive
>social behavior in the world (aka do good too others) cannot be used
>as curtain behind which to hide issues of mental illness.
>
>2) Christianity existed before the bible. Much about the bible is
>clearly irrational and contradictory, however people still believe
>in it. The bible was not the origin of Christian thought, only a
>collection of writings associated with it.
>
>The way that modern religions cling to biblical text is wrongful. 
>The translation issue, the lack of proper canonization, the amount
>of evidence that exists in dispute, the lack of physical evidence
>to support the bible historically, and most of all the forgotten
>fact that some of the old text was written in code to purposefully
>decieve enemies reading it -- are all forgotten as they counter
>delusional thoughts. And many religious zealots and leaders get
>that way from having delusional ideals of grandour because they
>believe they have divine right.
>
>This is more a testament to how many people are irrational in their
>behavior out of a need for faith and some degree of order. That does
>not make them mentally ill. However delusions and deception are the
>tools of people who seek to control others, and the bible is a 
>perfect example of that. God tends to show people the meaning
>of his existence in other ways, and the bible is not the last 
>world on that. If you have ever had such an experience then you
>would understand this better. 
>
>Religious people are often the last to recognize that, and the
>first to misinterpret such events when they occur.  
>
>3) There is little doubt that religion is a haven for the mentally
>ill to hide within, but that does not mean people searching for
>the meaning of the universe or a justification in a higher power
>are ill. The need to distinguish the wack jobs from those simply
>trying to be pious is important. Wack jobs on the other hand only
>distinguish so as to justify persecution of the heretics. They
>are clearly deluded, even if they act in the name of god or not.
>
>To qualify spiritual belief as a mental illness is wrong, because
>it is a quest for knowledge. Religion on the other hand deals mostly
>with blind faith, obedience, guilt, persecution, and hellfire so 
>that it can warp the minds of its followers and create a cult or
>occultic mentality. This latter practice is called brainwashing.
>People who are brainwashed are considered mentally ill.
>
>Humanism is a logical and compassionate spiritual outlook, therefore
>it has little place in religious evangelical organizations -- as the
>practice of being "decent" goes against religious dogma and "faith".
>But people blinded by religious hypnosis are conditioned to follow
>only the "irrational logic" of the Bible or Quran. Humanism counters
>the actions of dictators and tyrants, so therefore a humanist is
>labelled as the "common enemy".
>
>When all is said and done, using god or religion as justification to
>kill innocent people or those who dont believe what you believe is 
>a wrongful basis of rational thought. Chances are high that if you
>disagree with that line of reasoning, then you are most likely one
>of those borderline wack jobs and you just dont realize it yet.
>
>Time to put the matter to rest and acknowledge that the first 
>priority is decency and compassion, regardless of what god we 
>come from. Otherwise the battles will never end, and the suffering
>caused by wack jobs will never cease, and the mentally ill that
>follow religion will never be cured.
>
>Just a few thoughts.......
>
>"Religion is like Alcohol. Everyone thinks you should have some, but
>no one is willing to say anything when you have too much."
>RSC
>  
>

Wearing your rose coloured glasses.
Science has no objection to peoples right to un provable faith but religion 
flatly refuses to see any scientific evidence as anything other than an 
attempt to deceive people and stop faith. They are frightened by the obvious 
truths and their leaders see faith in chaos as science progresses along with 
more and more touchable discoveries while they have absolutely no proof and 
the documents they have are fables and inconstant facts and pronouncements.
People in religion have blinders when it comes to seeing outside the circle 
of faith,
Religion as it is and if it keeps its nose out of politics is harmless but 
more and more as they see science explaining much of their inconstant 
beliefs so they now call for political restriction on social issues they 
cannot control any more through the pulpit. Religious leaders are molesting 
their kids but they are red herringed into overlooking this and other 
intolerance religious behavior prevent rights for others with moral or 
sexual differences.
Religion is trying very hard to cross the line between church and state and 
seem to making some regressive legislation in the US such as the few states 
that now require text books to state that evolution is a unprovable theory 
and religion had a better answer to this issue ?? Crazy! This despite the 
mountain of fossil and other evidence when there is absolutely non for 
faith.

Religion is a mental illness when out of control

"John Wood" <jwood@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:QhKod.180221$df2.163791@edtnps89...
>I think it is the other way around. Religeon can create a sense of 
>community and answers that contribute to peace of mind. It stores wisdom 
>sorted out by centuries of thought for future generations. Sure - evolution 
>and science has replaced many of the answers, and much of the older texts 
>are out of date. But I think the one thing that has not changed over the 
>centuries is human nature. This is the one area that religeon can still 
>hold some answers.
>
> Ghost of IT wrote:
>
>>First off I am not saying that all religious people are crazy. But here
>>are some things worth considering in this on going argument.
>>
>>To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
>>there are a lot of similiarities.
>>1) OCD is a compulsion to think that if something is not done a particular
>>way or in a particular order, then it is wrong for the universe and the 
>>person cannot have justification for their actions otherwise. Hence they 
>>are compelled towards their behavior.
>>A religious person on the other hand often sees that for something in the
>>universe to have a particular order to it that we are some how compelled
>>to believe in a higher power, else the universe has no justification.
>>Hence they are also compelled to "spread the word" else they feel guilt,
>>just as OCD people are compelled to put controls on others to suit their
>>own beliefs.
>>
>>People from both camps practice irrational thought in order to justify
>>their existence. Insofar as that is concerned the behaviors and goals are 
>>the same even if the causes differ. All the education or positive
>>social behavior in the world (aka do good too others) cannot be used
>>as curtain behind which to hide issues of mental illness.
>>
>>2) Christianity existed before the bible. Much about the bible is
>>clearly irrational and contradictory, however people still believe
>>in it. The bible was not the origin of Christian thought, only a
>>collection of writings associated with it.
>>
>>The way that modern religions cling to biblical text is wrongful. The 
>>translation issue, the lack of proper canonization, the amount
>>of evidence that exists in dispute, the lack of physical evidence
>>to support the bible historically, and most of all the forgotten
>>fact that some of the old text was written in code to purposefully
>>decieve enemies reading it -- are all forgotten as they counter
>>delusional thoughts. And many religious zealots and leaders get
>>that way from having delusional ideals of grandour because they
>>believe they have divine right.
>>
>>This is more a testament to how many people are irrational in their
>>behavior out of a need for faith and some degree of order. That does
>>not make them mentally ill. However delusions and deception are the
>>tools of people who seek to control others, and the bible is a perfect 
>>example of that. God tends to show people the meaning
>>of his existence in other ways, and the bible is not the last world on 
>>that. If you have ever had such an experience then you
>>would understand this better.
>>Religious people are often the last to recognize that, and the
>>first to misinterpret such events when they occur.
>>3) There is little doubt that religion is a haven for the mentally
>>ill to hide within, but that does not mean people searching for
>>the meaning of the universe or a justification in a higher power
>>are ill. The need to distinguish the wack jobs from those simply
>>trying to be pious is important. Wack jobs on the other hand only
>>distinguish so as to justify persecution of the heretics. They
>>are clearly deluded, even if they act in the name of god or not.
>>
>>To qualify spiritual belief as a mental illness is wrong, because
>>it is a quest for knowledge. Religion on the other hand deals mostly
>>with blind faith, obedience, guilt, persecution, and hellfire so that it 
>>can warp the minds of its followers and create a cult or
>>occultic mentality. This latter practice is called brainwashing.
>>People who are brainwashed are considered mentally ill.
>>
>>Humanism is a logical and compassionate spiritual outlook, therefore
>>it has little place in religious evangelical organizations -- as the
>>practice of being "decent" goes against religious dogma and "faith".
>>But people blinded by religious hypnosis are conditioned to follow
>>only the "irrational logic" of the Bible or Quran. Humanism counters
>>the actions of dictators and tyrants, so therefore a humanist is
>>labelled as the "common enemy".
>>
>>When all is said and done, using god or religion as justification to
>>kill innocent people or those who dont believe what you believe is a 
>>wrongful basis of rational thought. Chances are high that if you
>>disagree with that line of reasoning, then you are most likely one
>>of those borderline wack jobs and you just dont realize it yet.
>>
>>Time to put the matter to rest and acknowledge that the first priority is 
>>decency and compassion, regardless of what god we come from. Otherwise the 
>>battles will never end, and the suffering
>>caused by wack jobs will never cease, and the mentally ill that
>>follow religion will never be cured.
>>
>>Just a few thoughts.......
>>
>>"Religion is like Alcohol. Everyone thinks you should have some, but
>>no one is willing to say anything when you have too much."
>>RSC
>>
> 

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:18:40 GMT, John Wood <jwood@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I think it is the other way around. Religeon can create a sense of 
>community 

I'd agree that it can build a sense of community. Which is a positive
thing. Though, one could argue that cults are even more effective at
building this sense of community. 

And really, what's the difference between a cult and a religion? 
Good P.R.?
 
>and answers that contribute to peace of mind. 

Personally, I think that's religion's biggest draw and the reason for
it's longevity.

>It stores wisdom 
>sorted out by centuries of thought for future generations. 

Not really sure what wisdom you're referring too. The wisdom of how to
spell religion? ;-)

It can install a strong moral code (do as I say and not as I do,
aside), which is a definite plus. Though, I'd venture that competent
parents can also do the same.

"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
> > First off I am not saying that all religious people are crazy. But here
> > are some things worth considering in this on going argument.
> >
> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
> > there are a lot of similiarities.
> >
> <SNIP>
>
>
> YAWN....This is getting boring and silly, time to change the channel
>
> PV
>
>

Yup.  CSI is on somewhere...

http://users.frii.com/gosplow/cgsa.html

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:

>
>"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
>news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
>> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
>> > First off I am not saying that all religious people are crazy. But here
>> > are some things worth considering in this on going argument.
>> >
>> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
>> > there are a lot of similiarities.
>> >
>> <SNIP>
>>
>>
>> YAWN....This is getting boring and silly, time to change the channel
>>
>> PV
>>
>>
>
>Yup.  CSI is on somewhere...
>
No.. What are the odds that you'll find CSI or CSI:<Insert City Here>
somewhere on the dial????

Whats next, Law & Order on more than once an hour?

-Bill

"BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
> >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
> >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
> >> > First off I am not saying that all religious people are crazy. But
here
> >> > are some things worth considering in this on going argument.
> >> >
> >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
> >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
> >> >
> >> <SNIP>
> >>
> >>
> >> YAWN....This is getting boring and silly, time to change the channel
> >>
> >> PV
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Yup.  CSI is on somewhere...
> >
> No.. What are the odds that you'll find CSI or CSI:<Insert City Here>
> somewhere on the dial????
>
Yeah.  But it sure beats the new iteration of The Bachelor or some other
retarded variation.

> Whats next, Law & Order on more than once an hour?
>
> -Bill
>
>
That already happened for a while and probably will again.  Law and Order
used to be on A&E every night.  Now that there are Law and Order:<Insert
unit name here>, I would expect the same thing in a couple of years.

In article <BcNpd.208596$9b.35750@edtnps84>, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:

> "BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
> news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
> > >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
> > >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...

(snip)

> > >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
> > >> > there are a lot of similiarities.

Ye oldde science vs. religion. 

Funny how they refuse to meet on some 3rd level of understanding. 
Humanity seems doomed to always consider one over the other... and 
therefore never reach an empasse.

GKD

In article <gdeppe-A7CEB7.18113126112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
says...
>
>In article <BcNpd.208596$9b.35750@edtnps84>, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>
>> "BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
>> news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
>> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
>> > >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
>> > >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
>
>(snip)
>
>> > >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
>> > >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
>
>Ye oldde science vs. religion. 
>
>Funny how they refuse to meet on some 3rd level of understanding. 
>Humanity seems doomed to always consider one over the other... and 
>therefore never reach an empasse.
>

They?  why don't you start with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_relationship_between_religion_and_science

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:26:57 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:

>
>"BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
>news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
>> >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
>> >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
>> >> > First off I am not saying that all religious people are crazy. But
>here
>> >> > are some things worth considering in this on going argument.
>> >> >
>> >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
>> >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
>> >> >
>> >> <SNIP>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> YAWN....This is getting boring and silly, time to change the channel
>> >>
>> >> PV
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yup.  CSI is on somewhere...
>> >
>> No.. What are the odds that you'll find CSI or CSI:<Insert City Here>
>> somewhere on the dial????
>>
>Yeah.  But it sure beats the new iteration of The Bachelor or some other
>retarded variation.
>
I agree.  I was off sick with a skin infection for 4 weeks.  In that
time I watched some TV and I have to say that day time TV sucks..
night time TV mostly sucks.  Thanks god for Discovery, A&E and
borrowing DVD's like Firefly.

>> Whats next, Law & Order on more than once an hour?
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>>
>That already happened for a while and probably will again.  Law and Order
>used to be on A&E every night.  Now that there are Law and Order:<Insert
>unit name here>, I would expect the same thing in a couple of years.
>

In article <9nnfq05dbkdmcf9chqeofjsp5knm8ml9kp@4ax.com>, noone@fakeaddress.qv 
says...
>
>On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:26:57 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>"BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
>>news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
>>> >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
>>> >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
>>> >> > First off I am not saying that all religious people are crazy. But
>>here
>>> >> > are some things worth considering in this on going argument.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
>>> >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
>>> >> >
>>> >> <SNIP>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> YAWN....This is getting boring and silly, time to change the channel
>>> >>
>>> >> PV
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Yup.  CSI is on somewhere...
>>> >
>>> No.. What are the odds that you'll find CSI or CSI:<Insert City Here>
>>> somewhere on the dial????
>>>
>>Yeah.  But it sure beats the new iteration of The Bachelor or some other
>>retarded variation.
>>
>I agree.  I was off sick with a skin infection for 4 weeks.  In that
>time I watched some TV and I have to say that day time TV sucks..
>night time TV mostly sucks.  Thanks god for Discovery, A&E and
>borrowing DVD's like Firefly.
>

Wow we can all agree that bad tv is bad.  What a revelation.

"BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
news:9nnfq05dbkdmcf9chqeofjsp5knm8ml9kp@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:26:57 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >"BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
> >news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
> >> >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
> >> >> > First off I am not saying that all religious people are crazy. But
> >here
> >> >> > are some things worth considering in this on going argument.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo,
but
> >> >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
> >> >> >
> >> >> <SNIP>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> YAWN....This is getting boring and silly, time to change the channel
> >> >>
> >> >> PV
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Yup.  CSI is on somewhere...
> >> >
> >> No.. What are the odds that you'll find CSI or CSI:<Insert City Here>
> >> somewhere on the dial????
> >>
> >Yeah.  But it sure beats the new iteration of The Bachelor or some other
> >retarded variation.
> >
> I agree.  I was off sick with a skin infection for 4 weeks.  In that
> time I watched some TV and I have to say that day time TV sucks..
> night time TV mostly sucks.  Thanks god for Discovery, A&E and
> borrowing DVD's like Firefly.
>
Yup.  They cater to the lowest common denominator

> >> Whats next, Law & Order on more than once an hour?
> >>
> >> -Bill
> >>
> >>
> >That already happened for a while and probably will again.  Law and Order
> >used to be on A&E every night.  Now that there are Law and Order:<Insert
> >unit name here>, I would expect the same thing in a couple of years.
> >
>

In article <pDOpd.6843$cE3.4076@clgrps12>,
 DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:

> In article <gdeppe-A7CEB7.18113126112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
> says...
> >
> >In article <BcNpd.208596$9b.35750@edtnps84>, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> "BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
> >> news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
> >> > >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
> >> > >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
> >
> >(snip)
> >
> >> > >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, 
> >> > >> > but
> >> > >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
> >
> >Ye oldde science vs. religion. 
> >
> >Funny how they refuse to meet on some 3rd level of understanding. 
> >Humanity seems doomed to always consider one over the other... and 
> >therefore never reach an empasse.
> >
> 
> They?  why don't you start with you.

Could start from the self. 

Only the Self is both U and I

And therefore a transpersonal medium... and might I add... timeless.

In article <gdeppe-C42A1E.22433226112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
says...
>
>In article <pDOpd.6843$cE3.4076@clgrps12>,
> DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
>
>> In article <gdeppe-A7CEB7.18113126112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
>> says...
>> >
>> >In article <BcNpd.208596$9b.35750@edtnps84>, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
>> >> news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
>> >> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> > >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
>> >> > >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> > >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
>> >
>> >(snip)
>> >
>> >> > >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, 
>> >> > >> > but
>> >> > >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
>> >
>> >Ye oldde science vs. religion. 
>> >
>> >Funny how they refuse to meet on some 3rd level of understanding. 
>> >Humanity seems doomed to always consider one over the other... and 
>> >therefore never reach an empasse.
>> >
>> 
>> They?  why don't you start with you.
>
>Could start from the self. 
>
>Only the Self is both U and I
>
>And therefore a transpersonal medium... and might I add... timeless.

My self is only me.  You are a loser.

In article <gdeppe-C42A1E.22433226112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
says...
>
>In article <pDOpd.6843$cE3.4076@clgrps12>,
> DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
>
>> In article <gdeppe-A7CEB7.18113126112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
>> says...
>> >
>> >In article <BcNpd.208596$9b.35750@edtnps84>, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
>> >> news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
>> >> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> > >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
>> >> > >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> > >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
>> >
>> >(snip)
>> >
>> >> > >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, 
>> >> > >> > but
>> >> > >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
>> >
>> >Ye oldde science vs. religion. 
>> >
>> >Funny how they refuse to meet on some 3rd level of understanding. 
>> >Humanity seems doomed to always consider one over the other... and 
>> >therefore never reach an empasse.
>> >
>> 
>> They?  why don't you start with you.
>
>Could start from the self. 
>
>Only the Self is both U and I
>
>And therefore a transpersonal medium... and might I add... timeless.

By the way, this is the sort of junk they blame Derrida for inflicting on saps 
like you, even though as far as I can tell he never came close to ever 
uttering sheer gibberish.

Just to clarify on forms.  My self is me.  Your self is you.  We're different. 
 Notice how we entered puberty at different times?  Different organisms.  Ok?  
I'm glad we cleared that up and you won't say it again.

In article <dXRpd.208965$9b.22975@edtnps84>,
 DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:

> In article <gdeppe-C42A1E.22433226112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
> says...
> >
> >In article <pDOpd.6843$cE3.4076@clgrps12>,
> > DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <gdeppe-A7CEB7.18113126112004@news.telus.net>, 
> >> gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
> >> says...
> >> >
> >> >In article <BcNpd.208596$9b.35750@edtnps84>, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
> >> >> news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
> >> >> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
> >> >> > >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
> >> >> > >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
> >> >
> >> >(snip)
> >> >
> >> >> > >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered 
> >> >> > >> > taboo, 
> >> >> > >> > but
> >> >> > >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
> >> >
> >> >Ye oldde science vs. religion. 
> >> >
> >> >Funny how they refuse to meet on some 3rd level of understanding. 
> >> >Humanity seems doomed to always consider one over the other... and 
> >> >therefore never reach an empasse.
> >> >
> >> 
> >> They?  why don't you start with you.
> >
> >Could start from the self. 
> >
> >Only the Self is both U and I
> >
> >And therefore a transpersonal medium... and might I add... timeless.
> 
> By the way, this is the sort of junk they blame Derrida for inflicting on 
> saps 
> like you, even though as far as I can tell he never came close to ever 
> uttering sheer gibberish.
> 
> Just to clarify on forms.  My self is me.  Your self is you.  We're 
> different. 

There is only ONE... in the end. Call him/her/it what you want... ad 
infinitum.

YourSelf is the same Self that is mySelf.

Gibberish if you want... but thats the paradox of the higher/inner 
cosmic power.

>  Notice how we entered puberty at different times?  Different organisms.  Ok? 

The Source is the same.

In article <%TRpd.208964$9b.13683@edtnps84>,
 DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:

> In article <gdeppe-C42A1E.22433226112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
> says...
> >
> >In article <pDOpd.6843$cE3.4076@clgrps12>,
> > DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <gdeppe-A7CEB7.18113126112004@news.telus.net>, 
> >> gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
> >> says...
> >> >
> >> >In article <BcNpd.208596$9b.35750@edtnps84>, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
> >> >> news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
> >> >> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
> >> >> > >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
> >> >> > >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
> >> >
> >> >(snip)
> >> >
> >> >> > >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered 
> >> >> > >> > taboo, 
> >> >> > >> > but
> >> >> > >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
> >> >
> >> >Ye oldde science vs. religion. 
> >> >
> >> >Funny how they refuse to meet on some 3rd level of understanding. 
> >> >Humanity seems doomed to always consider one over the other... and 
> >> >therefore never reach an empasse.
> >> >
> >> 
> >> They?  why don't you start with you.
> >
> >Could start from the self. 
> >
> >Only the Self is both U and I
> >
> >And therefore a transpersonal medium... and might I add... timeless.
> 
> My self is only me.  You are a loser.

If 'you' are indeed 'you'... then the above statement is true.

In article <gdeppe-6A628E.22545426112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
says...
>
>In article <dXRpd.208965$9b.22975@edtnps84>,
> DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
>
>> In article <gdeppe-C42A1E.22433226112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
>> says...
>> >
>> >In article <pDOpd.6843$cE3.4076@clgrps12>,
>> > DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <gdeppe-A7CEB7.18113126112004@news.telus.net>, 
>> >> gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
>> >> says...
>> >> >
>> >> >In article <BcNpd.208596$9b.35750@edtnps84>, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
>> >> >> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> > >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
>> >> >> > >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
>> >> >
>> >> >(snip)
>> >> >
>> >> >> > >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered 
>> >> >> > >> > taboo, 
>> >> >> > >> > but
>> >> >> > >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
>> >> >
>> >> >Ye oldde science vs. religion. 
>> >> >
>> >> >Funny how they refuse to meet on some 3rd level of understanding. 
>> >> >Humanity seems doomed to always consider one over the other... and 
>> >> >therefore never reach an empasse.
>> >> >
>> >> 
>> >> They?  why don't you start with you.
>> >
>> >Could start from the self. 
>> >
>> >Only the Self is both U and I
>> >
>> >And therefore a transpersonal medium... and might I add... timeless.
>> 
>> By the way, this is the sort of junk they blame Derrida for inflicting on 
>> saps 
>> like you, even though as far as I can tell he never came close to ever 
>> uttering sheer gibberish.
>> 
>> Just to clarify on forms.  My self is me.  Your self is you.  We're 
>> different. 
>
>There is only ONE... in the end. Call him/her/it what you want... ad 
>infinitum.

Ad infinitum is latin for 'infinitely'.  Why would I call him/her/it 
infinitely?  Do you swing fox rollecoaster cowboy?

>
>>  Notice how we entered puberty at different times?  Different organisms.  
Ok? 
>
>The Source is the same.

What source?

In article <gdeppe-A1E35F.22562226112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
says...
>
>In article <%TRpd.208964$9b.13683@edtnps84>,
> DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
>
>> In article <gdeppe-C42A1E.22433226112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
>> says...
>> >
>> >In article <pDOpd.6843$cE3.4076@clgrps12>,
>> > DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <gdeppe-A7CEB7.18113126112004@news.telus.net>, 
>> >> gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
>> >> says...
>> >> >
>> >> >In article <BcNpd.208596$9b.35750@edtnps84>, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
>> >> >> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> > >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
>> >> >> > >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
>> >> >
>> >> >(snip)
>> >> >
>> >> >> > >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered 
>> >> >> > >> > taboo, 
>> >> >> > >> > but
>> >> >> > >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
>> >> >
>> >> >Ye oldde science vs. religion. 
>> >> >
>> >> >Funny how they refuse to meet on some 3rd level of understanding. 
>> >> >Humanity seems doomed to always consider one over the other... and 
>> >> >therefore never reach an empasse.
>> >> >
>> >> 
>> >> They?  why don't you start with you.
>> >
>> >Could start from the self. 
>> >
>> >Only the Self is both U and I
>> >
>> >And therefore a transpersonal medium... and might I add... timeless.
>> 
>> My self is only me.  You are a loser.
>
>If 'you' are indeed 'you'... then the above statement is true.

Well that's mighty enlightened of you to recognize.  Now where's your proof 
it's otherwise?  

In article <%7Spd.208971$9b.93755@edtnps84>,
 DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:

> In article <gdeppe-A1E35F.22562226112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
> says...
> >
> >In article <%TRpd.208964$9b.13683@edtnps84>,
> > DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <gdeppe-C42A1E.22433226112004@news.telus.net>, 
> >> gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
> >> says...
> >> >
> >> >In article <pDOpd.6843$cE3.4076@clgrps12>,
> >> > DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <gdeppe-A7CEB7.18113126112004@news.telus.net>, 
> >> >> gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
> >> >> says...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In article <BcNpd.208596$9b.35750@edtnps84>, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
> >> >> >> > >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >(snip)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered 
> >> >> >> > >> > taboo, 
> >> >> >> > >> > but
> >> >> >> > >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ye oldde science vs. religion. 
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Funny how they refuse to meet on some 3rd level of understanding. 
> >> >> >Humanity seems doomed to always consider one over the other... and 
> >> >> >therefore never reach an empasse.
> >> >> >
> >> >> 
> >> >> They?  why don't you start with you.
> >> >
> >> >Could start from the self. 
> >> >
> >> >Only the Self is both U and I
> >> >
> >> >And therefore a transpersonal medium... and might I add... timeless.
> >> 
> >> My self is only me.  You are a loser.
> >
> >If 'you' are indeed 'you'... then the above statement is true.
> 
> Well that's mighty enlightened of you to recognize.  Now where's your proof 
> it's otherwise?  

The Self "knows" the value of its existence. Its the path of least 
resistance...

... and mental health problems.

In article <Z6Spd.208970$9b.15637@edtnps84>,
 DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:

> In article <gdeppe-6A628E.22545426112004@news.telus.net>, gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
> says...
> >
> >In article <dXRpd.208965$9b.22975@edtnps84>,
> > DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <gdeppe-C42A1E.22433226112004@news.telus.net>, 
> >> gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
> >> says...
> >> >
> >> >In article <pDOpd.6843$cE3.4076@clgrps12>,
> >> > DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <gdeppe-A7CEB7.18113126112004@news.telus.net>, 
> >> >> gdeppe@eastlink.ca 
> >> >> says...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In article <BcNpd.208596$9b.35750@edtnps84>, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "BP" <noone@fakeaddress.qv> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:m6kcq01f7k2esed8u4brdhlg66i7c84n46@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:17 GMT, "FNO" <Me@home.ca> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >"pv" <edrdriver@NOSPAM.telus.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > >news:VrIod.179752$df2.31275@edtnps89...
> >> >> >> > >> "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > >> news:b22f8b35.0411222210.59d6d3ac@posting.google.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >(snip)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > To equate mental health issues with religion is considered 
> >> >> >> > >> > taboo, 
> >> >> >> > >> > but
> >> >> >> > >> > there are a lot of similiarities.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ye oldde science vs. religion. 
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Funny how they refuse to meet on some 3rd level of understanding. 
> >> >> >Humanity seems doomed to always consider one over the other... and 
> >> >> >therefore never reach an empasse.
> >> >> >
> >> >> 
> >> >> They?  why don't you start with you.
> >> >
> >> >Could start from the self. 
> >> >
> >> >Only the Self is both U and I
> >> >
> >> >And therefore a transpersonal medium... and might I add... timeless.
> >> 
> >> By the way, this is the sort of junk they blame Derrida for inflicting on 
> >> saps 
> >> like you, even though as far as I can tell he never came close to ever 
> >> uttering sheer gibberish.
> >> 
> >> Just to clarify on forms.  My self is me.  Your self is you.  We're 
> >> different. 
> >
> >There is only ONE... in the end. Call him/her/it what you want... ad 
> >infinitum.
> 
> Ad infinitum is latin for 'infinitely'.  Why would I call him/her/it 
> infinitely?

I meant the philosophical 'infinitum' of the ten-thousand-things. The 
endless dialogues that divert from the Source rather than lead one to it.

> >The Source is the same.
> 
> What source?

exactly!