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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Fringe Ryder wrote:

> Raul Franco (rfranco@calvin.usc.edu) wrote:
>
> : There was a wonderful celebration of Mexican Independence yesterday at
> : city hall.  The performers were great, the crowd was great, everything was
> : great!  Who says LA is going downhill?  Any place that can throw a party
> : like this and have such a turnout, can't be all that bad.
>
> The best parties are always thrown in the worst dumps.  Think about the best
> college parties - they were held in the apartments that were cheap, run
> down, and whose tenants already had basically no furniture.  There was
> nothing they were afraid of destroying, so party party party!

How the hell can you compare a house party with a festive gathering of
more than 50,000 (?-what was the official estimate).

>
> L.A. is similar - the biggest street parties don't happen in Santa Monica or
> Brentwood or Beverly Hills - these folks still have something to lose.  But

"These folks have something to lose." That's excatly what the beverly
hills cop told me when he stopped me for driving through a residential area.
No, _we_ don't have anything to lose... all we have are our lives and our
identity.... What do you have?

> you'll drive them out eventually, and then who will pay for all your desired
> social programs?

Hey, the sooner they get out the better.  I didn't desire any social
programs in my original post did I?  But if we do desire, you ask who
will pay?  Whose already paying?  The ones who live and work here, which
pretty soon will be overwhelming latino.

>
> : Bajarat... I hope you were out there protesting and trying to get some of
> : celebrating people deported.  If you weren't, you're full of sh**,
> : period... you and your SOS croenies.  I bet Puto Wilson was turning in his
> : grave, seeing all those Mexicans taking over City Hall (we'll be coming
> : for the state capital soon).   [Contrary to popular belief, Puto
> : Wilson _IS_ dead, emotionally, spiritually, _and_ politically.]
>
> Yeah, Mexicans were partying.  Isn't this America?  If you want America to
> accept you, become an American.  You can still be proud of your Mexican
> heritage, but America is a melting pot.  Either you're us or you're them,
> and you're choosing "them".  BTW, becoming "us" requires you speak English
> too.

I don't want "america" to accept me, If I did, I would have changed my
name and played the game.  Who said the the Mexicans who were celebrating
were not proud to be in america, or in many cases to American citizens?
You make a big assumption when you say all who love their "homelands" also
dispise america.  Just because they rather raise the mexican flag on
S16 than the american flag on 4th of July, doesn't mean that they
don't contribute to this country's prosperity.  (Even in recent wars,
"minorities" have given more of their share of lives.)  Don't be afraid of
differences.  I don't want to be "melted" into something unrecognizable.
I _DO_ speak English, and Spanish, and wish I could speak other languages,
what's your point?

> : To the LA Times- EF YOU!  Two effen columns and two effen pictures  on
> : *all* the celebrations yesterday?  And 90% was on some failed macarena
> : dance in el monte.  EF YOU Bigtime!  Another reason to require bilingual
> : education: alternative news sources, like LA OPINION.
>
> Another reason to require BILINGUAL ED?  No, another reason to require
> English-Only.  This is America.  Teach everybody in our schools only
> English, and don't let them advance until they've got it, and then even La
> Opinion will have an English edition.  More Californians speak English than
> Spanish, and that will never change.

Yes, another reason to _require_ biligual ed, maybe you'll gain a new
perspective of life, or just read about something not covered in english
language media.

>
> FWIW, my sisters and I all took foreign languages in school.  I studied
> spanish, one sister studied french, and the other studied german.  You're in
> America - you can't force us to study Spanish when there are other more
> important languages for us, like perhaps Japanese.  Heck, the Japanese
> probably own more of L.A. than the Mexicans do!

No one is forcing you to speak spanish- it might seem like that when
everyone around you speaks spanish, but don't be afraid.  Maybe you should
also take out your frustrations on japanes people- most of the ones that
_own_ those part of la speak japanese.

Don't worry, maybe one day the _entire_ world will speak english, wear
levis, visit dizneyland, watch oprah, listen to garth brooks, drive a
saturn, and shop at walmart.


Raul.....					c/s

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