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Re: Commuting by train builds new friends and social contacts

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From: david parsons
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:22
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In article <el7342-1bh.ln1@yelm.homenetwork>,
Mr. Precision <Amaps.news@archeus.plus.com> wrote:
>Jack May wrote:
>
>> BTW, the prototype cars are getting about a 150 mile range with compressed 
>> hydrogen and 300 miles with liquid hydrogen.  Range is a major reason to get 
>> high efficiency
>
>Solectria Sunrise: 373 miles per charge, from Boston to NYC in 1997 
>using NiMH batteries. Batteries are twice as good now.

   Recharge time is the problem with batteries.   A regular sedan won't
   get that sort of range and you'd have to take the car offline for
   several hours to refill the batteries.   For a pure commute car[1],
   it's not a problem -- you plug it into a powerpoint at home and leave
   it overnight -- but if you ever wanted to drive your car farther you'd
   either need a generator sled or a second car[2].

   The energy density with hydrogen isn't any better than batteries, but
   you can refill the car faster than you can with electricity (provided
   you can find a station that sells hydrogen.)


   Of course it's all a moot point;  the hydrogen car is just another
   pretty mirage meant to push off the hard decisions onto someone else[3].


   [1: a pure commute car driven by a sane person.  There are people who
       live in Los Angeles and drive to San Francisco every day for work,
       but they don't live in quite the same reality as the everyday
       commuter.]
   [2: At which point you'll be eaten alive by car insurance costs.]
   [3: Which turns out to be Toyota and Honda, who are doing a land-office
       business with their gasoline-electric cars.]

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From: orc@pell.portland.or.us (david parsons)
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Subject: Re: Commuting by train builds new friends and social contacts
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