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beergut@ilos.net writes:

>On 5 Jan 1998 02:16:20 GMT, dba@*spamnix*.uniserve.com (Brian
>Allardice) wrote:
>>
>>That having been said, all this whining and moaning here should be
>>directed at the authors of whichever messages you (if no-one else)
>>find actionnable, not ISP's, whose position should be that of a common
>>carrier, not an editor.
>
>The logic of this statement escape's me. You seem to be saying that an
>ISP should just sign up customers and let them fly. That an ISP should
>just take in the money and have no responsibility for what it's user's
>do.  Nice work if you can get it, but it doesn't work that way. The
>ISP has to assume some responsibility for what is on it's server. That
>is why warning letters and accounts canceled happen everyday across
>Canada. 

So should I happen to call you up on the phone and use proscribed
speech or otherwise offending your ears, you would have no choice but
to sue the phone company?

The court will laugh in your face.

>Do you think that if I stumble across a kiddie-porn site I should
>e-mail the author of the site, or the ISP. Most ISP's are grateful
>when they are notified of law-breaking activity occurring on their
>server.

So should I snail-mail you a package of proscribed material, you
would be on the phone pronto to the post office helpfully notifying them
of their "liability"?

Canada Post will laugh in your face.

>Your way of thinking is that an ISP should be just a common carrier
>and not an editor does not fly.  If it did, we would have a million
>Zundels, hate mongers, racists and the like having free reign all over
>the net.

Frankly, I'll take all of those, and more, rather than an Internet
full of "beerguts" who apparently haven't the wherewithall to accept
responsibility for their own words and/or actions.  Oh no;  they would
rather the ISP handle all that for them.  But your average "Zundel",
"hate monger", "racist", and "the like", as despicable as they truly
are, show at least *some* courage of their convictions.

>I am all for free speech, as long as it doesn't break the
>law.  You seem to value free speech above the law?

And you would rather sign it over to the ISP.  And only for a couple
of bucks a month.
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