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In article <1joucsINNf5g@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
bryan@notorious.rs.itd.umich.edu (Bryan Beecher) writes:

:As the new chief of the MI.ORG domain, I'd like to make a suggestion:  Let's
:get rid of the domain!

Aigh!!  I like mi.org, and its relative flexibility.  I can relocate
my site within Michigan and not feel compelled to change my name
'cause I happen to enter a different city.  The addressing is
certainly less awkward.

:Seriously, I think it might be time that the domain be retired.  The folks at
:ISI do a pretty good job with the MI.US domain.  Any time I have sent mail
:to them, I've always gotten a prompt, courteous reply.

Currently, there are more mi.org email sites than mi.us sites, from
what I can divine from nslookup.  (Of course, with mi.us one can do
subnetting).  I remember hearing at one of the SEMiSLUGs (from Steve
Simmons, possibly), that some of the well-managed domain parks like
lonestar.org, mn.org, and mi.org, might be given regional control by
the ISI people.  This was awhile back.

:MI.US is becoming increasingly populated.  High schools around Michigan are
:getting connected, and they are part of the domain.  There was also a lot of
:talk at the last IETF about reserving the EDU domain for four-year colleges
:and universities, and placing other schools under <state>.US.

Ahhh...  the three high schools that I see in your DNS seem to be
under k12.mi.us, rather than some-city.mi.us.  How do the people who
run .ca feel about a k13.{province}.ca for their high schools?

:How would people feel about a slow transition to remove the MI.ORG domain
:in favor of the MI.US domain?  I'd still be willing to act as a front-end
:for people who needed some help getting registered.

I am not in favor of it.  Of course, I realize that you're doing all
the work involved -- for our information, how much work IS involved?

						...Mike

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Mike O'Connor writes:

> Aigh!!  I like mi.org, and its relative flexibility.  I can relocate
> my site within Michigan and not feel compelled to change my name
> 'cause I happen to enter a different city.  The addressing is
> certainly less awkward.

Is this really an issue, though?  How often do most people move?  Or, if it
is the case where a host moves back-and-forth between two cities, for instance,
one could just have two MI.US entries.  Or is this particular example one
where the computer in question is highly mobile?  If so, I'd argue that it
still belongs in MI.US, but perhaps in some sort of domain along the lines
of <host>.MOBILE.MI.US.

> Ahhh...  the three high schools that I see in your DNS seem to be
> under k12.mi.us, rather than some-city.mi.us.  How do the people who
> run .ca feel about a k13.{province}.ca for their high schools?

Right.  The naming scheme is supposed to be <school>.<district>.K12.MI.US.
Right now the ones in Michigan don't have the <district> part, but that
ought to change soon.

> I am not in favor of it.  Of course, I realize that you're doing all
> the work involved -- for our information, how much work IS involved?

Not a whole lot.  I have to add the name to the DNS, and Wes has to add the
name to a list on destroyer.rs.itd.umich.edu in the cases where we provide
the MX host.

I just don't want to see us behind-the-times using something like MI.ORG
when the rest of the country is (slowly) moving towards its respective parts
of the US domain.
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Domain:	Bryan.Beecher@umich.edu      Path:  ..!uunet!destroyer!bryan

>get rid of the domain!

Er, I'm against this  proposal too, but if you decide to kill it, there's
really not much we can do.  Of course, I run a .mi.org site, so I care...
because it's worked really well for me, and I also send a lot of mail to
.mi.org sites, and that works dependably.  Notably, my mail to sycom.mi.org
hamjudo.mi.org, and dojo.mi.org works fine, while a bunch of mail I had
going out to m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us and grex...mi.us bit the big one.

>talk at the last IETF about reserving the EDU domain for four-year colleges
>and universities, and placing other schools under <state>.US.

Okay, so keep schools out of .mi.org... if there's a .k12.mi.us, that's fine,
but I think .mi.org still fulfills a valid role as well.

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FMEAplus Project Leader                  Home: chad@deep.mi.org

bryan@notorious.rs.itd.umich.edu (Bryan Beecher) writes:

>How would people feel about a slow transition to remove the MI.ORG domain
>in favor of the MI.US domain?  I'd still be willing to act as a front-end
>for people who needed some help getting registered.

I'd certianly have no objections -- and maybe a sudden influx of mi.us
sites would make the ISI folks more willing to hand over local control.
A quick grep/sort/uniq thru the mi maps shows 36 mi.us sites and 48
mi.org sites.
-- 
	"You can't get here from here."

mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor) writes:

>In article <1joucsINNf5g@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
>bryan@notorious.rs.itd.umich.edu (Bryan Beecher) writes:

>:MI.US is becoming increasingly populated.  High schools around Michigan are
>:getting connected, and they are part of the domain.  There was also a lot of
>:talk at the last IETF about reserving the EDU domain for four-year colleges
>:and universities, and placing other schools under <state>.US.

>Ahhh...  the three high schools that I see in your DNS seem to be
>under k12.mi.us, rather than some-city.mi.us.  How do the people who
>run .ca feel about a k13.{province}.ca for their high schools?

RFC-1386 actually covers this . . . they have recommendations for
naming these entities within the state geographic domains on page
12.
-- 
	"You can't get here from here."

I can see only two advantages to mi.org.  The name is shorter (ok, ann-arbor
is my fault), and mi.org can have wildcard MX records.

Other than that, mi.us works well.


zeeff@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us

In article <1joucsINNf5g@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> bryan@notorious.rs.itd.umich.edu (Bryan Beecher) writes:
>How would people feel about a slow transition to remove the MI.ORG domain
>in favor of the MI.US domain?  I'd still be willing to act as a front-end

Well, we seem to be split into two camps:  a) those of us with mi.org
sites who like the shorter name, the fact that it works well, and
don't particularly want the pain of changing; and b) those with mi.us
sites who don't particularly care.

Surprise, surprise.

I don't see the urgent need to fix what ain't broke, but if it's too
much work, I can live with the change.
-- 
Jay Rouman  (jsr@dexter.mi.org  jsr@ais.org)

In article <scs.727730949@wotan.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
>bryan@notorious.rs.itd.umich.edu (Bryan Beecher) writes:
>
>>How would people feel about a slow transition to remove the MI.ORG domain
>>in favor of the MI.US domain?  I'd still be willing to act as a front-end
>>for people who needed some help getting registered.
>
>I'd certianly have no objections -- and maybe a sudden influx of mi.us
>sites would make the ISI folks more willing to hand over local control.

But there are no guarantees, right?

>A quick grep/sort/uniq thru the mi maps shows 36 mi.us sites and 48
>mi.org sites.

Sounds like people have already voted for mi.org with their hosts.

I've got yet another host here I'd be willing to register in mi.org, if 
it's a matter of tipping the scales even further... :-)

							- Kevin

I've been corresponding with Jon Postel at ISI regarding this
discussion, trying to get some more information on their thoughts.
This is where most of my information is coming from:

In article <1993Jan24.193921.24436@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org
(Kevin Darcy) writes:

:>I'd certianly have no objections -- and maybe a sudden influx of mi.us
:>sites would make the ISI folks more willing to hand over local control.
:But there are no guarantees, right?

According to Mr. Postel, in email:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The US domain are now delegating portions of the US domain.  The US
domain structure is

        <local-name>.<locality>.<state-code>.US.

We will delegate a locality.  For example, we will delegate

        "Ann-Arbor.MI.US"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This was news to me.

:>A quick grep/sort/uniq thru the mi maps shows 36 mi.us sites and 48
:>mi.org sites.
:Sounds like people have already voted for mi.org with their hosts.
:
:I've got yet another host here I'd be willing to register in mi.org, if 
:it's a matter of tipping the scales even further... :-)

Heh...  you're not the only one.  

						...Mike


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In article <scs.727732893@wotan.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:

:>Ahhh...  the three high schools that I see in your DNS seem to be
:>under k12.mi.us, rather than some-city.mi.us.  How do the people who
:>run .ca feel about a k13.{province}.ca for their high schools?
:
:RFC-1386 actually covers this . . . they have recommendations for
:naming these entities within the state geographic domains on page
:12.

RFC-1386 does NOT provide for the .ca domain (its title is "The US
Domain").  And I see big sites in the .ca domain moving toward .edu.
Should a Canadian high school go for the .ca or the .edu?

						...Mike

(who feels that six-deep addresses are kinda like X.400 -- scary!)

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