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Article #1037Re: government schools are now prisons
From: joe
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:31
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:31
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your statement about ''spoiled brats who think govt. owes them a liveing'' is a prime example of where our govt. schools have takin our kids. it's not Rex who gave them that idea it's the govt. through the schools. The got. schools also teach our kids that thought is'nt required in life (eg.) zero tolerence policies, were a straight A student can be expelled because when her family was moveing over the weekend a kitchen knife fell out of a box in her car and when they did a search of cars they found it.....no no the administrators say lets not take a look at the students records the rules say we hav e to expell her period end of thinking. If we truly want the next generation to suceed we must teach them to think independently and this will NEVER happen in govt. schools <nshinede@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:uZytb.16737$kL2.10041@fe3.columbus.rr.com... > Bull shit, Rex. > > You people have now created a society of spoiled brats, who think the > government owes them a living. > > If your an attorney,as you claim, your an insult to the profession and our > country. > "rex" <rexy@ij.net> wrote in message news:3fb64961_6@corp.newsgroups.com... > > As an attorney, I believe that government schools should be > unconstitutional > > under the Fourth Amendment ban of unreasonable searches. The recent > > police-state raid in Goose Creek, South Carolina is another in the growing > > list of proofs (with more at http://rexcurry.net). > > > > Government schools have a special exemption under the 4th Amendment, a > > lowered standard that promotes police-state raids. A raid was caught on > > videotape when gun-toting police burst into a high school, ordering > students > > to lie flat on their stomachs in hall ways as they searched for drugs on > > Nov. 7, 2003. Police handcuffed anyone who apparently didn't comply > quickly > > enough. The tape showed police waving their guns and searching lockers. > > > > Worse still, the media reports that the school maintains constant video > > surveillance of students through various cameras available to police. > > > > During my legal career, parents have asked me if it is wise (or > > constitutional) for government to control everyone's education. > > > > Government schools create milquetoasts in the same way that Cuban schools > > create socialists. That is why parents leave their own children in > > government schools with constant video surveillance and police-state > > tactics. Government schools in the U.S. are different only in degree from > > schools in the former U.S.S.R. > > > > The 4th amendment should be improved to specifically include "schools" > with > > the same high standard given to homes. Of course, the only real solution > is > > to end government schools. Many parents have already rescued their > children > > from government schools in favor of the many better alternatives. > > > > The U.S. did not have government schools when the Fourth (and First) > > Amendment was written. If the authors of the Constitution had foreseen the > > government's education monstrosity then the Fourth Amendment would have > > included government schools, and the First Amendment would have banned > > Congress from the establishment of religion and education. > > > > The Constitution should be amended to include "education" next to > > "religion." The separation of school and state is as important as the > > separation of church and state. And for the same ideological reasons. The > > proposed constitutional amendment is discussed in detail at > > http://rexcurry.net . > > > > Even if an excuse could be made for the initial creation of some > government > > schools, their ongoing existence is proof of their ongoing failure to > > educate people to handle their own (or their childrens') educations > without > > government schools. > > > > The Post And Courier newspaper in Charleston reports that Goose Creek high > > school is one of the largest in the state with 2,760 students. It has an > > academic reputation as one of the Low country's best. But that doesn't > show > > from the subservient comments of the students and parents. > > > > The media reported that "the commando-style raid has parents questioning > the > > wisdom of police tactics." It is sad that no media reported that the raid > > has parents questioning the wisdom of government schools. And that is more > > proof that government schools are dangerous and must end. > > > > A media outlet reported that a parent said "I was just upset knowing they > > had guns put to their head and a K9 was barking at them and about to bite > > somebody. It was awful." Only through years of government schooling can a > > parent say such a statement and not announce that she is withdrawing her > > student from government schools. She did not even question the > > constitutionality of government schools per se. > > > > As if that weren't bad enough, the media reports that parents and students > > are already aware, and have done nothing about, the school's constant > video > > surveillance available to police. The paper quoted a law enforcement > officer > > as saying that he watched school surveillance tapes from four days that > > showed students congregating under various cameras, allegedly to avoid > being > > filmed. "They know where the cameras are. If they stand directly under > them, > > the camera's don't look directly down," the law enforcement officer told a > > paper. > > > > The 4th amendment states "The right of the people to be secure in their > > persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and > > seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon > > probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly > > describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be > > seized." > > > > Police didn't find any criminals in the armed sweep nor any drugs. Goose > > Creek police and school administrators defended the draconian measures as > > necessary for crime prevention. > > > > For other reasons why government schools are unconstitutional see > > > > http://rexcurry.net > > > > and > > > > http://members.ij.net/rex/schoolsmain.html > > > > (For more ideas on liberty and libertarianism see > http://members.ij.net/rex > > and http://rexcurry.net from Rex Curry at rexy@ij.net or > > ecurry@interaccess.net or rexatious@hotmail.com). > > > > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- > >
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