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In article <3A6978D4.F74E7F87@ix.netcom.com>,
Ken M. <poboxdc@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

[...]

>Police Commissioner Edward T. Norris called the case a 
>"no-brainer" for conviction. He said the not guilty verdict 
>felt like "a kick in the stomach." 

Now Mr. Norris knows how we peons feel every single time a murdering pig
gets off scott free. "Kick in the stomach" is an excellent analogy.

-Legion
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impatient to go out and break and enter, steal shit, or whatever, yet
we'll sit there at a console brute-forcing for 4 hours" -- The Public

>Jurors declined to be interviewed at the courthouse, but some 
>later said prosecution witnesses gave contradictory testimony 
>that undercut the case. 

It seems that some of the prosecution witnesses may have been less
than truthful.


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On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 03:56:28 GMT, msimon@xta.com (M. Simon) wrote:

>
>>Jurors declined to be interviewed at the courthouse, but some 
>>later said prosecution witnesses gave contradictory testimony 
>>that undercut the case. 
>
>It seems that some of the prosecution witnesses may have been less
>than truthful.
>
>
>M. Simon  Space-Time Productions http://www.spacetimepro.com
>              Free CNC Machine Control Software
>              Free Source Code
>              Control the World From a Parallel Port

The thing is, if the officers had all been honest they probably would
have gotten a conviction it sounds like. Instead they attempted to
embellish it so they could try to get the guy the harshest punishment
they could. And of course, if you get caught in one lie or
contradictory statement it tends to make ALL your statements suspect.
Those officers that lied and/or embellished their statements are more
responsible for that not guilty verdict than anyone else. How does it
feel to know that you guys are responsible for that guy going free? 


Nomad/Michael
Las Vegas, NV
Barony of Starkhafn, Kingdom of Caid

O'Moron remarked yesterday that he is "saddened and shocked" by the
jury's verdict in the below captioned case. Isn't this why we have a
jury system in this country? If we left it up to Mayor O'Moron and
Police Commissioner Ed Norris, we'd have a judge, jury and executioner
in both of them! What a pair of phucking sourpusses!!! Do they only
believe in our system of justice when someone other than a cop is
convicted of a crime??? It seems that the cops themselves gave
conflicting testimony in this case... they cooked their own goose!
Did they rush to judgement in this case? How many other times have
they rushed to judgement? What a phucking bunch of malcontents!!!

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Ed Norris' favorite URL:
http://norris.ismad.com



Jury acquits teen accused in death of police officer

Jurors attribute surprising verdict to conflicting testimony;
Gavin killed during chase

By Caitlin Francke and Peter Hermann, Sun Staff
Originally published Jan 20 2001

A teen-ager who killed a police officer when he crashed into a
patrol car during a high-speed chase was set free yesterday after
a Baltimore jury acquitted him of all charges - a verdict that
stunned police, prosecutors and even the defendant's mother.

The jury deliberated about four hours before clearing Eric D.
Stennett of murder, attempted murder and vehicular manslaughter
charges, even though his own lawyer admitted that Stennett was
driving the speeding Ford Bronco that killed Officer Kevon M. Gavin.

"I'm speechless," said Assistant State's Attorney Lisa Goldberg,
who prosecuted the case in Baltimore Circuit Court over the past
two weeks.

Police Commissioner Edward T. Norris called the case a
"no-brainer" for conviction. He said the not guilty verdict
felt like "a kick in the stomach."

Even Stennett's mother, who leaped from her seat in the
courtroom pew to hug weeping family members when the verdict
was announced, acknowledged that she was surprised that he
had not been convicted on some charge because police pulled him
out of the car that crushed Officer Gavin.

"He was there," said Stennett's mother, Margaret Beady. But,
she added, "I don't believe my child was driving."

The officer's widow, Lisa Gavin, was so distraught she was
escorted out of the back of the courthouse to avoid a media
throng. She had to drive to New York yesterday to attend a
funeral for her late husband's grandmother, who had died of cancer.

Jurors declined to be interviewed at the courthouse, but some
later said prosecution witnesses gave contradictory testimony
that undercut the case.

Stennett was expected to be released from the city jail last night.

Read the entire story at:
http://www.sunspot.net/content/cover/story?
section=cover&pagename=story&storyid=1150540207909


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"Coleman E. Howard" wrote:
> 

> 
> ------------
> 
> IMO, your explanation is right on the button. And if I might add, this is
> almost like the OJ Simpson trial. Mark Furhman, in his biased attempt to
> ADD to the evidence, jeopardized the whole trail......

Can't keep blaming Furhman for everything. The lawyers did their
jobs well: To confuse the jury.
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If the case was that simple, then the prosecutor must have done a really
poor job.  Also, unless all the people who expressed surprise heard the
same evidence as the jury, they have no business questioning the jury's
verdict.  

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In article <3A6979A0.29ED@hotmail.com>,
  ofr55666@hotmail.com wrote:
> Ken M. wrote:
> >
> > Jury acquits teen accused in death of police officer
> > Jurors attribute surprising verdict to conflicting testimony;
> > Gavin killed during chase
> >
> > By Caitlin Francke and Peter Hermann
> > Sun Staff
> > Originally published Jan 20 2001
> >
> > A teen-ager who killed a police officer when he crashed into a
> > patrol car during a high-speed chase was set free yesterday after
> > a Baltimore jury acquitted him of all charges - a verdict that
> > stunned police, prosecutors and even the defendant's mother.
>
> > The jury deliberated about four hours before clearing Eric D.
> > Stennett of murder, attempted murder and vehicular manslaughter
> > charges, even though his own lawyer admitted that Stennett was
> > driving the speeding Ford Bronco that killed Officer Kevon M. Gavin.
>
> What's the surprise? If a cop mows down someone, he walks.
>
> > "I'm speechless," said Assistant State's Attorney Lisa Goldberg,
> > who prosecuted the case in Baltimore Circuit Court over the past
> > two weeks.
>
> Cops deliberately put themselves in harms way to justify killing the
> person to stop him. They jump in front of cars then open fire.
>
> Change the policy.
>
> > Police Commissioner Edward T. Norris called the case a
> > "no-brainer" for conviction. He said the not guilty verdict
> > felt like "a kick in the stomach."
>
> Stop sniveling.
>
> > Even Stennett's mother, who leaped from her seat in the
> > courtroom pew to hug weeping family members when the verdict
> > was announced, acknowledged that she was surprised that he
> > had not been convicted on some charge because police pulled him
> > out of the car that crushed Officer Gavin.
> >
> > "He was there," said Stennett's mother, Margaret Beady. But,
> > she added, "I don't believe my child was driving."
>
> > The officer's widow, Lisa Gavin, was so distraught she was
> > escorted out of the back of the courthouse to avoid a media
> > throng. She had to drive to New York yesterday to attend a
> > funeral for her late husband's grandmother, who had died of cancer.
> >
> > Jurors declined to be interviewed at the courthouse, but some
> > later said prosecution witnesses gave contradictory testimony
> > that undercut the case.
>
> The police started the chase.
>
> Nice policy, geniuses.
>
> > Stennett was expected to be released from the city jail last night.
>
> This wouldn't even be an issue if it were an innocent bystander, which
> the cop wasn't. He was part of the hunting party.
>
> > ===================================================================
> > Read the entire story at:
> > http://www.sunspot.net/content/cover/story?section=cover&pagename=story&storyid=1150540207909
> > --
> > (ken)
> >
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> >
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> >
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>  Please forgive OFR. He's still pouting because his heroe lost his ass and was proven to be a loser like him. OFR is sick.
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In article <94focd$ck4$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,
  "Coleman E. Howard" <cehoward@erols.com> wrote:
>
> Nomad in Starkhafn <nomadSPAMMENOTsca@aol.com> wrote in message > The thing
> is, if the officers had all been honest they probably would
> > have gotten a conviction it sounds like. Instead they attempted to
> > embellish it so they could try to get the guy the harshest punishment
> > they could. And of course, if you get caught in one lie or
> > contradictory statement it tends to make ALL your statements suspect.
> > Those officers that lied and/or embellished their statements are more
> > responsible for that not guilty verdict than anyone else. How does it
> > feel to know that you guys are responsible for that guy going free?
> >
> >
> > Nomad/Michael
> > Las Vegas, NV
> > Barony of Starkhafn, Kingdom of Caid
>
> ------------
>
> IMO, your explanation is right on the button. And if I might add, this is
> almost like the OJ Simpson trial. Mark Furhman, in his biased attempt to
> ADD to the evidence, jeopardized the whole trail. Whereas, if they had just
> told the truth, instead of embellishing it, IMO, both these people, who IMO,
> were guilty, would have been found guilty.
>
> On the other hand, the two-bit-racists don't want to hear your explanation.
> They
> are not going to say the police lied, of if they do, they CONDONE police
> lying.
>
> Again, good post and points well stated.
>
> Coleman(the real one)(check the header)
>
> They,they,they? Who are they?
                   Sgt. Doe


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Nomad in Starkhafn <nomadSPAMMENOTsca@aol.com> wrote in message > The thing
is, if the officers had all been honest they probably would
> have gotten a conviction it sounds like. Instead they attempted to
> embellish it so they could try to get the guy the harshest punishment
> they could. And of course, if you get caught in one lie or
> contradictory statement it tends to make ALL your statements suspect.
> Those officers that lied and/or embellished their statements are more
> responsible for that not guilty verdict than anyone else. How does it
> feel to know that you guys are responsible for that guy going free?
>
>
> Nomad/Michael
> Las Vegas, NV
> Barony of Starkhafn, Kingdom of Caid

------------

IMO, your explanation is right on the button. And if I might add, this is
almost like the OJ Simpson trial. Mark Furhman, in his biased attempt to
ADD to the evidence, jeopardized the whole trail. Whereas, if they had just
told the truth, instead of embellishing it, IMO, both these people, who IMO,
were guilty, would have been found guilty.

On the other hand, the two-bit-racists don't want to hear your explanation.
They
are not going to say the police lied, of if they do, they CONDONE police
lying.

Again, good post and points well stated.

Coleman(the real one)(check the header)

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:43:22 GMT, - OFR - <ofr55666@hotmail.com> wrote:


>Cops deliberately put themselves in harms way to justify killing the 
>person to stop him. They jump in front of cars then open fire.
>
>Change the policy.

			OK! Henceforth: 

			No police officer shall, while
			in the line of duty, do anything
			except to attend roll call. Any
			action to investigate, stop or
			interfere with criminal activity
			may result in a disciplinary hearing
			conducted by a panel previously 
			convicted offenders.

			DCI
						

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:43:22 GMT, - OFR - <ofr55666@hotmail.com> wrote:


>Cops deliberately put themselves in harms way to justify killing the 
>person to stop him. They jump in front of cars then open fire.
>
>Change the policy.

			OK! Henceforth: 

			No police officer shall, while
			in the line of duty, do anything
			except to attend roll call. Any
			action to investigate, stop or
			interfere with criminal activity
			may result in a disciplinary hearing
			conducted by a panel previously 
			convicted offenders.

			DCI
						

Gee.. and here I thought it was a case where a different officer "accidentally
forgot" a vial of OJ's blood in his cost pocket for 8 hours was to be taken
directly to the lab for anaylsis. And the shoddy lab work was just a detail
too. I mean.. the OJ Simpson Murder case... and they have a new intern working
the whole thing.... please.

But... yes... "If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit". That was classic. I
expect when I decide to go to law school, I'll be hearing that again.

"Ken M." wrote:

> "Coleman E. Howard" wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > ------------
> >
> > IMO, your explanation is right on the button. And if I might add, this is
> > almost like the OJ Simpson trial. Mark Furhman, in his biased attempt to
> > ADD to the evidence, jeopardized the whole trail......
>
> Can't keep blaming Furhman for everything. The lawyers did their
> jobs well: To confuse the jury.
> --
> (ken)
>
> My Chihuahua sits quietly in her crate:
> http://www.zyworld.com/maryland/sweetie.htm
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>
> To respond to this place (-) between x and d.
>
>         Because e-mail can be altered electronically,
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Ken M. <poboxdc@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3A6B67D7.7EE53F04@ix.netcom.com...
> "Coleman E. Howard" wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > ------------
> >
> > IMO, your explanation is right on the button. And if I might add, this
is
> > almost like the OJ Simpson trial. Mark Furhman, in his biased attempt to
> > ADD to the evidence, jeopardized the whole trail......
>
> Can't keep blaming Furhman for everything. The lawyers did their
> jobs well: To confuse the jury.
> --
> (ken)
>
-------------

True, and let me add that this is our system. And our system of justice,
while not perfect,
IMO is the best out there. So, there will always be loopholes. By they way,
I should have
said that Furhman aided the lawyers in confusing the jury.

Coleman(the real one)(check the header)

<sergeantfdoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:94g1t2$elf$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > On the other hand, the two-bit-racists don't want to hear your
explanation.
> > They
> > are not going to say the police lied, of if they do, they CONDONE police
> > lying.
> >
> > Again, good post and points well stated.
> >
> > Coleman(the real one)(check the header)
> >
> > They,they,they? Who are they?
>                    Sgt. Doe
>
------------------

In the most polite mood that I can muster, all one has to do is READ, the
LINE before
the "they" and they will see who the "THEY" is..

Hint.  An 8 year old with an 8 year old reading ability will tell you who
they is in a second.

In case you don't see it, "two-bit-racists" are the THEY.

Reading class over with.. :-)

Coleman(the real one)(check the header)

<dci/_@cheetah.net> wrote in message
news:u66o6tkurjhei8ogv20m1ah8m1is83unn6@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:43:22 GMT, - OFR - <ofr55666@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Cops deliberately put themselves in harms way to justify killing the
> >person to stop him. They jump in front of cars then open fire.
> >
> >Change the policy.
>
> OK! Henceforth:
>
> No police officer shall, while
> in the line of duty, do anything
> except to attend roll call. Any
> action to investigate, stop or
> interfere with criminal activity
> may result in a disciplinary hearing
> conducted by a panel previously
> convicted offenders.

I think you just made OFR blow his wad.

Pagan

Pagan wrote:
> 
> <dci/_@cheetah.net> wrote in message
> news:u66o6tkurjhei8ogv20m1ah8m1is83unn6@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:43:22 GMT, - OFR - <ofr55666@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Cops deliberately put themselves in harms way to justify killing the
> > >person to stop him. They jump in front of cars then open fire.
> > >
> > >Change the policy.
> >
> > OK! Henceforth:
> >
> > No police officer shall, while
> > in the line of duty, do anything
> > except to attend roll call. Any
> > action to investigate, stop or
> > interfere with criminal activity
> > may result in a disciplinary hearing
> > conducted by a panel previously
> > convicted offenders.
> 
> I think you just made OFR blow his wad.


Stop fantasizing, ya big stud.

> Pagan

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On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 06:50:27 -0800, "Pagan" <nospam@linkline.com> wrote:

><dci/_@cheetah.net> wrote in message
>news:u66o6tkurjhei8ogv20m1ah8m1is83unn6@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:43:22 GMT, - OFR - <ofr55666@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Cops deliberately put themselves in harms way to justify killing the
>> >person to stop him. They jump in front of cars then open fire.
>> >
>> >Change the policy.
>>
>> OK! Henceforth:
>>
>> No police officer shall, while
>> in the line of duty, do anything
>> except to attend roll call. Any
>> action to investigate, stop or
>> interfere with criminal activity
>> may result in a disciplinary hearing
>> conducted by a panel previously
>> convicted offenders.
>
>I think you just made OFR blow his wad.
>
>Pagan
>

				Blow is the descriptive word,
				suck is the operative word.
				
				DCI

				
			

"- OFR -" <ofr55666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3A6C565E.5075@hotmail.com...
> Pagan wrote:
> >
> > <dci/_@cheetah.net> wrote in message
> > news:u66o6tkurjhei8ogv20m1ah8m1is83unn6@4ax.com...
> > > On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:43:22 GMT, - OFR - <ofr55666@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >Cops deliberately put themselves in harms way to justify killing the
> > > >person to stop him. They jump in front of cars then open fire.
> > > >
> > > >Change the policy.
> > >
> > > OK! Henceforth:
> > >
> > > No police officer shall, while
> > > in the line of duty, do anything
> > > except to attend roll call. Any
> > > action to investigate, stop or
> > > interfere with criminal activity
> > > may result in a disciplinary hearing
> > > conducted by a panel previously
> > > convicted offenders.
> >
> > I think you just made OFR blow his wad.
>
>
> Stop fantasizing, ya big stud.

Just don't get over excited.  Wouldn't want you to short out your
computer...

Pagan

In article <3A6978D4.F74E7F87@ix.netcom.com>,
  "Ken M." <poboxdc@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Jury acquits teen accused in death of police officer
> Jurors attribute surprising verdict to conflicting testimony;
> Gavin killed during chase
>
> By Caitlin Francke and Peter Hermann
> Sun Staff
> Originally published Jan 20 2001
>
> A teen-ager who killed a police officer when he crashed into a
> patrol car during a high-speed chase was set free yesterday after
> a Baltimore jury acquitted him of all charges - a verdict that
> stunned police, prosecutors and even the defendant's mother.
>
> The jury deliberated about four hours before clearing Eric D.
> Stennett of murder, attempted murder and vehicular manslaughter
> charges, even though his own lawyer admitted that Stennett was
> driving the speeding Ford Bronco that killed Officer Kevon M. Gavin.
>
> "I'm speechless," said Assistant State's Attorney Lisa Goldberg,
> who prosecuted the case in Baltimore Circuit Court over the past
> two weeks.
>
> Police Commissioner Edward T. Norris called the case a
> "no-brainer" for conviction. He said the not guilty verdict
> felt like "a kick in the stomach."
>
> Even Stennett's mother, who leaped from her seat in the
> courtroom pew to hug weeping family members when the verdict
> was announced, acknowledged that she was surprised that he
> had not been convicted on some charge because police pulled him
> out of the car that crushed Officer Gavin.
>
> "He was there," said Stennett's mother, Margaret Beady. But,
> she added, "I don't believe my child was driving."
>
> The officer's widow, Lisa Gavin, was so distraught she was
> escorted out of the back of the courthouse to avoid a media
> throng. She had to drive to New York yesterday to attend a
> funeral for her late husband's grandmother, who had died of cancer.
>
> Jurors declined to be interviewed at the courthouse, but some
> later said prosecution witnesses gave contradictory testimony
> that undercut the case.
>
> Stennett was expected to be released from the city jail last night.
> ===================================================================
> Read the entire story at:
> http://www.sunspot.net/content/cover/story?section=cover&pagename=story&storyid=1150540207909
> --
> (ken)
>
> My Chihuahua sits quietly in her crate:
> http://www.zyworld.com/maryland/sweetie.htm
> ------------------------------------------
>
> To respond to this place (-) between x and d.
>
>         Because e-mail can be altered electronically,
>         the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.

 Was that the same group of jurors that were at the O.J. trial? Kinda sounds
like them.  Sgt. Doe


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> >Change the policy.
>
> OK! Henceforth:
>
> No police officer shall, while
> in the line of duty, do anything
> except to attend roll call. Any
> action to investigate, stop or
> interfere with criminal activity
> may result in a disciplinary hearing
> conducted by a panel previously
> convicted offenders.
>
> DCI
DCI what about the doughnut shop thingy?  Don't they need to check those
places on an hourly basis for evidence of drugcrime?