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Started by Michael+Schneider
Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:00
Big Blizzard next Tuesday??????
Author: Michael+Schneider
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:00
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R E T U R N O F T H E "P A N H A N D L E H O O K E R" ! ! ! (No, that was not a Clinton joke of some sort, although it certainly could be very easily made into one.) Check out the URLs, folx: Latest NGP model forecast run: 12hr Precipitation and Sea Level Pressures: http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/fiorino/wxmap/ngp/archive/98021212/ngp.alltau.prp.conus.htm 850mb Temps, Winds, and Relative Humidity. http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/fiorino/wxmap/ngp/archive/98021212/ngp.alltau.850.conus.htm Examine the last few charts in each of these. The Precip/SLP last charts shows a monstrous storm devouring the entire eastern half of the United States. The last charts of the 850m/rinds/RH shows that the precipitation falling over the upper midwest will be in the form of heavy, wet snow (below freezing temperatures at the 850mb level, about 2000ft above ground level). This is the biggest storm I've ever scene the NGP put out in the year or so I've been paying attention to it. Caveat: Reliability at such extreme range is poor, but this predicted monster storm has remained a feature for the last four consecutive model runs. The snow band may shift more to the Dakotas or eastward, or more could be in the form of rain, but at this point it looks like a two-footer. "Panhandle Hooker" is a meteorological term for a low pressure system that moves eastward out of the Rockies, intensifies explosively around the Texas and Oklahoma "panhandle" regions, then hooks northeast. They typically produce blizzard conditions on their northern side, with tornadoes and severe thunderstorms in the southern plains. This storm would be the first true major panhandle hooker blizzard in several years. You will need to access the URLs at top fairly quickly. The runs are redone every 12 hours, and older runs are not kept around forever. New NGP model runs can be accessed from http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/fiorino/wxmap/wx.conus.htm Y O U H E A R D I T H E R E F I R S T! (Why depend on the local weather geeks to lie to you, when you can go straight to the source for your latest forecast lies!) Of course, now that I've written this, the forecast models will puke the storm out into some wimpy thing that dives southeast into the Gulf and rains on Tampa. We'll see...... ------------------------------------------------------------------ D#lete "blizzard" to reply email. "Kings of the High Frontier" -- Victor Koman, 1997 Prometheus Award See Claire Wolfe's review; order: http://www.pulpless.com/king.html Welcome to Rancho Runnamukka: http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Top 5% of Web; mentioned in Time Mag. A Military Action: http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum
Re: Big Blizzard next Tuesday??????
Author: JR
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:00
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In article <mike1-1202981748180001@13-106.dynamic.visi.com>, mike1@blizzard.visi.com (Michael+Schneider) wrote: > This is the biggest storm I've ever scene the NGP put out in the year or > so I've been paying attention to it. Caveat: Reliability at such extreme > range is poor, but this predicted monster storm has remained a feature for > the last four consecutive model runs. The snow band may shift more to the > Dakotas or eastward, or more could be in the form of rain, but at this > point it looks like a two-footer. > Y O U H E A R D I T H E R E F I R S T! GET OUT!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! What is this, the meteorological Drudge Report? This kind of shit really makes me wonder if technology hasn't overstepped its bounds. CONTINENTAL BUILDING CONSULTANTS P.O. Box 518 Hampton, NH 03843 (800) 562-1037 Serving Community Associations, Property Managers, Developers, and other Real Estate Interests nationwide. We provide Property Condition Surveys, Capital Reserve Studies, Construction Documents, Construction Inspection. "We can do that."
Re: Big Blizzard next Tuesday??????
Author: Adam M Gaffin
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:00
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In article <mike1-1502980428200001@13-33.dynamic.visi.com>, Mike+Schneider <mike1@blizzard.visi.com> wrote: > >Bad news for snow lovers. After teasing us for four days with a northern >plains blizzard, the models are breaking down the storm. Whereas before > > Crumb... Screwed again. (Like usual.) It'd be nice if just *once* those >models would verify at long range. Just for the novelty of it. > Come back when the models show a storm that puts down an inch or snow or so to make everything look really nice for a weekend then makes the temperature go up to 50 so it all melts before we have to shovel/drive through it. Oh, and a nice rainstorm late Sunday to wash away all the salt would be nice, too... -- Adam Gaffin adamg@world.std.com / (508) 820-7433 The Wicked Good Guide to Boston English http://www.std.com/NE/glossary.html
Re: Big Blizzard next Tuesday??????
Author: uncomfortably numb
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
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Michael+Schneider (mike1@blizzard.visi.com) wrote: : "Panhandle Hooker" is a meteorological term for a low pressure system that : moves eastward out of the Rockies, intensifies explosively around the : Texas and Oklahoma "panhandle" regions, then hooks northeast. They : typically produce blizzard conditions on their northern side, with : tornadoes and severe thunderstorms in the southern plains. This storm : would be the first true major panhandle hooker blizzard in several years. And be sure to check back next week, when Mike "the self-appointed pedagogue" Schneider teaches us about the Panhandle Cooker, an exciting new product from Corningware.
Re: Big Blizzard next Tuesday??????
Author: Michael+Schneider
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
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In article <8XMF.62$mj4.451239@ptah.visi.com>, burn@visi.com (uncomfortably numb) wrote: > Michael+Schneider (mike1@blizzard.visi.com) wrote: > > : "Panhandle Hooker" is a meteorological term for a low pressure system that > : moves eastward out of the Rockies, intensifies explosively around the > : Texas and Oklahoma "panhandle" regions, then hooks northeast. They > : typically produce blizzard conditions on their northern side, with > : tornadoes and severe thunderstorms in the southern plains. This storm > : would be the first true major panhandle hooker blizzard in several years. > > And be sure to check back next week, when Mike "the self-appointed > pedagogue" Schneider teaches us about the Panhandle Cooker, an exciting > new product from Corningware. Featured on the Cooking Channel by "Two Fat Ladies"! ------------------------------------------------------------------ D#lete "blizzard" to reply email. "Kings of the High Frontier" -- Victor Koman, 1997 Prometheus Award See Claire Wolfe's review; order: http://www.pulpless.com/king.html Welcome to Rancho Runnamukka: http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/ A Military Action: http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum
Re: Big Blizzard next Tuesday??????
Author: Ger
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
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On 14 Feb 1998 19:06:59 GMT, rodgers@seminole.fsl.noaa.gov (Dennis Rodgers) wrote: snip... >|> "Panhandle Hooker" is a meteorological term for a low pressure system that >|> moves...(snip) > >I don't think this can be called a "meteorological term". It's more like >a TWC term, or a storm chaser term. Cyclogenesis is a meteorological term. No, it is a "meteorological" term (as opposed to a "scientific" term) along the lines of El Nino, Bermuda High, Scirocco, Willi-willi, Santa Ana's, etc., etc.
Re: Big Blizzard next Tuesday??????
Author: Scott Lindstrom
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
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In article <34f0ae9a.418702458@allnews.infi.net>, gerrym@infi.net (Ger) writes: |> On 14 Feb 1998 19:06:59 GMT, rodgers@seminole.fsl.noaa.gov (Dennis Rodgers) |> wrote: |> |> snip... |> |> >|> "Panhandle Hooker" is a meteorological term for a low pressure system that |> >|> moves...(snip) |> > |> >I don't think this can be called a "meteorological term". It's more like |> >a TWC term, or a storm chaser term. Cyclogenesis is a meteorological term. |> |> No, it is a "meteorological" term (as opposed to a "scientific" term) along the |> lines of El Nino, Bermuda High, Scirocco, Willi-willi, Santa Ana's, etc., etc. "Panhandle Hooker" certainly predates TWC, and probably stormchasing as well. But it's not in the Glossary of Meteorology (the 1970 version), if that means anything :) Scott -- Scott S. Lindstrom | The only other sound's scottl@ssec.wisc.edu | the sweep of easy http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~scottl/homepage1.html | wind and downy flake
Re: Big Blizzard next Tuesday??????
Author: Samuel K Beckman
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
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Actually< i think this term was used in a publication many years ago by a forecaster in Milwaukee. He classified winter storms that affected Wisconsin as Alberta Clippers or Panhandle Hookers; those storms that developed southeast from east Colorado and hooked northeast from the Texas and Oklahoma Panhandle toward the Great Lakes. Dennis Rodgers wrote: > |> > |> > |> R E T U R N O F T H E "P A N H A N D L E H O O K E R" ! ! ! > |> > |> > > This sounds like a prostitute from Amarillo > > |> > |> This is the biggest storm I've ever scene the NGP...(snip) > > Can you please define NGP? > > |> "Panhandle Hooker" is a meteorological term for a low pressure system that > |> moves...(snip) > > I don't think this can be called a "meteorological term". It's more like > a TWC term, or a storm chaser term. Cyclogenesis is a meteorological term. > -- > > Dennis Mark Rodgers > NOAA ERL Forecast Systems Laboratory > 325 Broadway R/E/FS5 > Boulder, CO 80303-3328 > voice: 303.497.6933 fax: 303.497.6301 email: rodgers@fsl.noaa.gov
Re: Big Blizzard next Tuesday??????
Author: Stan Koper
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:00
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In article <34E8ED0F.DD5BE778@qni.com>,
Samuel K Beckman <weateach@qni.com> wrote:
>Actually< i think this term was used in a publication many years ago by a
>forecaster in Milwaukee. He classified winter storms that affected Wisconsin as
>Alberta Clippers or Panhandle Hookers; those storms that developed southeast from
>east Colorado and hooked northeast from the Texas and Oklahoma Panhandle toward
>the Great Lakes.
>
Yeh, but they didn't say "hooker", they said "hook" (they knew the
difference). The difference between an Alberta Clipper and a Panhandle
Hook storm is significant in Milwaukee. The former brings cold & light
snow, the latter is somewhat warmer, but brings heavier snow. Pulls
more moisture up from the Gulf of Mexico.
--
Stan Koper
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Re: Big Blizzard next Tuesday??????
Author: Dennis Rodgers
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:00
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In article <34f0ae9a.418702458@allnews.infi.net>, gerrym@infi.net (Ger) writes: |> On 14 Feb 1998 19:06:59 GMT, rodgers@seminole.fsl.noaa.gov (Dennis Rodgers) |> wrote: |> |> snip... |> |> >|> "Panhandle Hooker" is a meteorological term for a low pressure system that |> >|> moves...(snip) |> > |> >I don't think this can be called a "meteorological term". It's more like |> >a TWC term, or a storm chaser term. Cyclogenesis is a meteorological term. |> |> No, it is a "meteorological" term (as opposed to a "scientific" term) along the |> lines of El Nino, Bermuda High, Scirocco, Willi-willi, Santa Ana's, etc., etc. Gosh, I could have sworn that meteorology is a science. And "raining cats and dogs" must be a meteorological term also. -- Dennis Mark Rodgers NOAA ERL Forecast Systems Laboratory 325 Broadway R/E/FS5 Boulder, CO 80303-3328 voice: 303.497.6933 fax: 303.497.6301 email: rodgers@fsl.noaa.gov
Re: Big Blizzard next Tuesday??????
Author: Brett Rabe
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:00
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Dennis Rodgers wrote:
> Gosh, I could have sworn that meteorology is a science. And "raining cats and
> dogs" must be a meteorological term also.
Now *there's* a good joke. I can't even get accurate forecasts for
cloud conditions 3 hours into the future with any degree of
reliability when I head out flying. Color me dubious. :-)
Brett "Let's hear it for 'augury'" Rabe
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