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curtis_smallboner@beer.com (Curtis Smallboner) wrote in
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> Palestinian leaders are hailing this as a moral victory that will
> be replicated.

A moral victory?

Using women and children to shield people who openly admit to
indiscriminate rocket attacks against civilians? 

Apparently these people are counting on the fact that the Israelis
will actually avoid killing civilians, while they never will.

-- 
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com

i am a radical muslim please read my blog.

ttp://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha

Kind of shows the differences between the two groups.

Can you imagine that Arab terrorists would give warning on which mall
or party they were going to bomb and then back down because too many
civilians would get killed.

It says a lot about the Arabs that civilians are willing to risk their
lives in order to protect terrorism. It says a lot of their respect for
Israelis in that the Arabs knew that Israellis try to avoid civilian
deaths. It is not what their lies claim, but evidently it is what they
actually believe.

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Bert Hyman wrote:
> curtis_smallboner@beer.com (Curtis Smallboner) wrote in
> news:1164034516.733738.154750@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: 
> 
>> Palestinian leaders are hailing this as a moral victory that will
>> be replicated.
> 
> A moral victory?
> 
> Using women and children to shield people who openly admit to
> indiscriminate rocket attacks against civilians? 
> 
> Apparently these people are counting on the fact that the Israelis
> will actually avoid killing civilians, while they never will.
> 
The Palestinians have little other choice. The Zionists in Israel deny 
them basic rights: transit to and from school or work, for starters. The 
Zionists confiscate Arab land willy-nilly and deny the original 
inhabitants any means of redress.

Israel and its Zionist government cause the Palestinian crisis, not the 
innervated and emaciated Palestinians who  merely want to live on their 
ancestral land.

Voracious

"Voracious" <null@void.org> wrote in message
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> Bert Hyman wrote:
> > curtis_smallboner@beer.com (Curtis Smallboner) wrote in
> > news:1164034516.733738.154750@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> >
> >> Palestinian leaders are hailing this as a moral victory that will
> >> be replicated.
> >
> > A moral victory?
> >
> > Using women and children to shield people who openly admit to
> > indiscriminate rocket attacks against civilians?
> >
> > Apparently these people are counting on the fact that the Israelis
> > will actually avoid killing civilians, while they never will.
> >
> The Palestinians have little other choice

There are np Palestinians. It's a bunch of exiles from all over the Middle
East/

In news:%%s8h.13202$9v5.9035@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net,
Voracious <null@void.org>spewed forth:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
>> curtis_smallboner@beer.com (Curtis Smallboner) wrote in
>> news:1164034516.733738.154750@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> Palestinian leaders are hailing this as a moral victory that will
>>> be replicated.
>>
>> A moral victory?
>>
>> Using women and children to shield people who openly admit to
>> indiscriminate rocket attacks against civilians?
>>
>> Apparently these people are counting on the fact that the Israelis
>> will actually avoid killing civilians, while they never will.
>>
> The Palestinians have little other choice. The Zionists in Israel deny
> them basic rights: transit to and from school or work, for starters.
> The Zionists confiscate Arab land willy-nilly and deny the original
> inhabitants any means of redress.
>
> Israel and its Zionist government cause the Palestinian crisis, not
> the innervated and emaciated Palestinians who  merely want to live on
> their ancestral land.
>
> Voracious

ancestral land?
reminds me of an old joke

The Prime Minister of Israel sits down with Arafat at the
beginning of negotiations regarding the resolution of the
conflict.

The Prime Minister requests that he be allowed to begin with
a story. Arafat replies, "Of course."

The Prime Minister begins his story: "Years before the
Israelites came to the Promised Land and settled here,
Moses led them for 40 years through the desert. The
Israelites began complaining that they were thirsty and, lo
and behold, a miracle occurred and a stream appeared
before them. They drank their fill and then decided to take
advantage of the stream to do some bathing--including
Moses. When Moses came out of the water, he found that
all his clothing was missing.

"'Who took my clothes?' Moses asked those around him.

"'It was the Palestinians,' replied the Israelites -- "

"Wait a minute," objected Arafat immediately, "there were
no Palestinians during the time of Moses!"

"All right," replies the Prime Minister, "Now that we've got
that settled, let's begin our negotiations."

"Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Voracious" <null@void.org> wrote in message
> news:%%s8h.13202$9v5.9035@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> > Bert Hyman wrote:
> > > curtis_smallboner@beer.com (Curtis Smallboner) wrote in
> > > news:1164034516.733738.154750@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> > >
> > >> Palestinian leaders are hailing this as a moral victory that will
> > >> be replicated.
> > >
> > > A moral victory?
> > >
> > > Using women and children to shield people who openly admit to
> > > indiscriminate rocket attacks against civilians?
> > >
> > > Apparently these people are counting on the fact that the Israelis
> > > will actually avoid killing civilians, while they never will.
> > >
> > The Palestinians have little other choice
>
> There are np Palestinians. It's a bunch of exiles from all over the Middle
> East/

talk about revisionist history....

>
>

"ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote in message
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> In news:%%s8h.13202$9v5.9035@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net,
> Voracious <null@void.org>spewed forth:
> > Bert Hyman wrote:
> >> curtis_smallboner@beer.com (Curtis Smallboner) wrote in
> >> news:1164034516.733738.154750@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >>> Palestinian leaders are hailing this as a moral victory that will
> >>> be replicated.
> >>
> >> A moral victory?
> >>
> >> Using women and children to shield people who openly admit to
> >> indiscriminate rocket attacks against civilians?
> >>
> >> Apparently these people are counting on the fact that the Israelis
> >> will actually avoid killing civilians, while they never will.
> >>
> > The Palestinians have little other choice. The Zionists in Israel deny
> > them basic rights: transit to and from school or work, for starters.
> > The Zionists confiscate Arab land willy-nilly and deny the original
> > inhabitants any means of redress.
> >
> > Israel and its Zionist government cause the Palestinian crisis, not
> > the innervated and emaciated Palestinians who  merely want to live on
> > their ancestral land.
> >
> > Voracious
>
> ancestral land?
> reminds me of an old joke
>
> The Prime Minister of Israel sits down with Arafat at the
> beginning of negotiations regarding the resolution of the
> conflict.
>
> The Prime Minister requests that he be allowed to begin with
> a story. Arafat replies, "Of course."
>
> The Prime Minister begins his story: "Years before the
> Israelites came to the Promised Land and settled here,
> Moses led them for 40 years through the desert. The
> Israelites began complaining that they were thirsty and, lo
> and behold, a miracle occurred and a stream appeared
> before them. They drank their fill and then decided to take
> advantage of the stream to do some bathing--including
> Moses. When Moses came out of the water, he found that
> all his clothing was missing.
>
> "'Who took my clothes?' Moses asked those around him.
>
> "'It was the Palestinians,' replied the Israelites -- "
>
> "Wait a minute," objected Arafat immediately, "there were
> no Palestinians during the time of Moses!"

Odd - there WERE occupants of Palestine at the time Moses showed up and told
them God had given their land to the Hebrews, so he would not have said
that...  must be an Israeli joke.

   Oh, that's right...  Israelis don't call the original occupants of
Palestine Palestinians - they call them "Promised landers"
  - as in... "we Israelis did not arrive in Palestine and throw out the
occupants - - we arrived at the Promised land and threw out the occupants.
   Who were the occupants of the Promised land? Not Palestinians.
   Oh.. then they must be "promised landers"

   So let's have the Israelis give back to the Promised Landers their half
of Palestine, as guaranteed under UN resolution 181, and get the mess over
with.

>
> "All right," replies the Prime Minister, "Now that we've got
> that settled, let's begin our negotiations."
>
>
>

Morton Davis wrote:
> "Voracious" <null@void.org> wrote in message
> news:%%s8h.13202$9v5.9035@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>> curtis_smallboner@beer.com (Curtis Smallboner) wrote in
>>> news:1164034516.733738.154750@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> Palestinian leaders are hailing this as a moral victory that will
>>>> be replicated.
>>> A moral victory?
>>>
>>> Using women and children to shield people who openly admit to
>>> indiscriminate rocket attacks against civilians?
>>>
>>> Apparently these people are counting on the fact that the Israelis
>>> will actually avoid killing civilians, while they never will.
>>>
>> The Palestinians have little other choice
> 
> There are np Palestinians. It's a bunch of exiles from all over the Middle
> East/
> 
> 
Another Zionist lie.

There were Arabs living in what is properly called Palestine before the 
European Jews who created Zionism invaded by immigration. The founder of 
Zionism had a (false) saying about Palestine: "A Land without a People 
for a People without a Land."

http://www.tomhull.com/ocston/projects/ajvp/wp1.php

http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm (Note Major Conclusion #2: 
"Palestine Was Not an Empty Land When Zionist Immigration Began.")

Voracious

In ba.general Curtis Smallboner <curtis_smallboner@beer.com> wrote:
> Palestinian human shields give Israel pause By Joshua Mitnick
> Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor-TEL AVIV
> [ http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1120/p01s02-wome.html ]

> In perhaps the most effective act of nonviolent protest in the six-year
> Palestinian uprising, hundreds of Gazans forced Israel over the weekend
> to

> call off airstrikes on the residence of a militant leader by swarming
> the
> house as human shields.

     If the Palestinians resort to civil disobedience and passive
resistance, they will have a state within a couple of years.  The
same was true in 1967, 1973, and every year since then.  The lessons
of Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King are clear.
     But it just doesn't seem to be in their DNA to do anything other
than respond with violence to anything that displeases them.
     Additionally, it's not clear that getting a Palestinian state,
alongside Israel, really represents the wishes of most Palestinians.
It certainly doesn't represent the wishes of Hezbollah, Iran, and
Syria, who sponsor Hamas and other terrorist groups.  And no amount
of civil disobedience will lead Israel to just disappear.

"Merlin Dorfman" <dorfman@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
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> In ba.general Curtis Smallboner <curtis_smallboner@beer.com> wrote:
> > Palestinian human shields give Israel pause By Joshua Mitnick
> > Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor-TEL AVIV
> > [ http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1120/p01s02-wome.html ]
>
> > In perhaps the most effective act of nonviolent protest in the six-year
> > Palestinian uprising, hundreds of Gazans forced Israel over the weekend
> > to
>
> > call off airstrikes on the residence of a militant leader by swarming
> > the
> > house as human shields.
>
>      If the Palestinians resort to civil disobedience and passive
> resistance, they will have a state within a couple of years.  The
> same was true in 1967, 1973, and every year since then.  The lessons
> of Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King are clear.
>      But it just doesn't seem to be in their DNA to do anything other
> than respond with violence to anything that displeases them.
>      Additionally, it's not clear that getting a Palestinian state,
> alongside Israel, really represents the wishes of most Palestinians.

cite, please.

> It certainly doesn't represent the wishes of Hezbollah, Iran, and
> Syria, who sponsor Hamas and other terrorist groups.  And no amount
> of civil disobedience will lead Israel to just disappear.
>

In ba.general hob <dehoberg@comcast.net> wrote:

> "Merlin Dorfman" <dorfman@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> news:ek8586$ff3$1@blue.rahul.net...
>> In ba.general Curtis Smallboner <curtis_smallboner@beer.com> wrote:
>> > Palestinian human shields give Israel pause By Joshua Mitnick
>> > Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor-TEL AVIV
>> > [ http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1120/p01s02-wome.html ]
>>
>> > In perhaps the most effective act of nonviolent protest in the six-year
>> > Palestinian uprising, hundreds of Gazans forced Israel over the weekend
>> > to
>>
>> > call off airstrikes on the residence of a militant leader by swarming
>> > the
>> > house as human shields.
>>
>>      If the Palestinians resort to civil disobedience and passive
>> resistance, they will have a state within a couple of years.  The
>> same was true in 1967, 1973, and every year since then.  The lessons
>> of Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King are clear.
>>      But it just doesn't seem to be in their DNA to do anything other
>> than respond with violence to anything that displeases them.
>>      Additionally, it's not clear that getting a Palestinian state,
>> alongside Israel, really represents the wishes of most Palestinians.

> cite, please.

     How about an overwhelming vote for a party (Hamas) that has the
clearly stated objective of eliminating Israel.

"Merlin Dorfman" <dorfman@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:ek8586$ff3$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In ba.general Curtis Smallboner <curtis_smallboner@beer.com> wrote:
> > Palestinian human shields give Israel pause By Joshua Mitnick
> > Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor-TEL AVIV
> > [ http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1120/p01s02-wome.html ]
>
> > In perhaps the most effective act of nonviolent protest in the six-year
> > Palestinian uprising, hundreds of Gazans forced Israel over the weekend
> > to
>
> > call off airstrikes on the residence of a militant leader by swarming
> > the
> > house as human shields.
>
>      If the Palestinians resort to civil disobedience and passive
> resistance, they will have a state within a couple of years.  The
> same was true in 1967, 1973, and every year since then.  The lessons
> of Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King are clear.
>      But it just doesn't seem to be in their DNA to do anything other
> than respond with violence to anything that displeases them.
>      Additionally, it's not clear that getting a Palestinian state,
> alongside Israel, really represents the wishes of most Palestinians.
> It certainly doesn't represent the wishes of Hezbollah, Iran, and
> Syria, who sponsor Hamas and other terrorist groups.  And no amount
> of civil disobedience will lead Israel to just disappear.

For once, Mervin, you actually make sense...