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"Fabrikant" <benny_patrick7@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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  They should have been fired long time ago.  If they were
> fired, some children would have been alive now.
> Fabrikant

Excuse me? So you are saying that if you were fired a long time ago for your 
incompetence, your 5 co-workers would be alive today?
But didn't you actually kill them when you realized they were firing your 
ass.

Seems if people take your advice, they wind up dead.
They tried to fire you for incompetence and they ended up in the morgue.
Three of them instantly, or DOA. And 2 lingered on, one for quite a few 
months.

No Valery, all we want to hear you preach for is retro-active institution of 
the death penalty.
Anything else you say is bullshit and not very remorseful.

All we want from you is to say, gee, I am really sorry. I must have been 
insane at the time....but it was wrong to gun down 5 people I worked with 
for any reason. I see now that savage behavior was horrendous. Only sick 
fucks murder people because they are paranoid and delusional. I admit my 
guilt. Now please execute me for my crimes. This is all we want to hear. Of 
course we are not a sick fuck like you, so we won't re-instate the death 
penalty. But if you show remorse, and seek forgiveness, and actually make it 
seem like killing people is wrong, then we might not declare you a dangerous 
offender. You are going to be an old man when you get out. But it is obvious 
that you are still a danger to society. So we will have to petition the 
government. Don't worry, we will wait until just before they are going to 
release you, so you think you will be getting out after only 25 years. But 
we feel you deserve life. I mean I can see 25 years for one murder, but 5, 
you should never see daylight again.

Glad you  came by convict. Say hello to your boy for me!
So why haven't you killed anybody while in prison Fabrikant?
Oh, right, you can't get your hands on a gun, and without a gun or two 
actually, you aren't much of a threat to anyone are you.

Fabrikant. You used the gun on the wrong people.
If your life sucked that bad, you should have stuck a gun barrel in your 
mouth and blown the top of your head off.
After all, you telling me life in prison was a better choice than getting 
kicked out of the University in discrace, as a fraud, and having to start 
again.
Now you had to put your life, your family's life on pause for 25 years, and 
start right back where you left off, only with the stigma of a multiple 
murderer. And the funny think is most people don't even know who you 
are....you are not even memorable. Everybody knows BErnardo and Homolka, and 
they only killed 2 people. You killed 5.

But you have the distinction of being the first person to announce in USENET 
that you were going to kill people and then did it, after you posted you 
would. So you will be a foot note in history you scum bucket.

HEY!! Fabrikant's kid, why do you embarrass your father this way, by posting 
this shit for him?
Are you insane too?


> 

Defender of Enormous Manhood wrote:

>
> Excuse me? So you are saying that if you were fired a long time ago for your
> incompetence, your 5 co-workers would be alive today?
> But didn't you actually kill them when you realized they were firing your
> ass.
>
> Seems if people take your advice, they wind up dead.
> They tried to fire you for incompetence and they ended up in the morgue.
> Three of them instantly, or DOA. And 2 lingered on, one for quite a few
> months.
>
> No Valery, all we want to hear you preach for is retro-active institution of
> the death penalty.
> Anything else you say is bullshit and not very remorseful.
>
>

You are a sick, sick, sick man. Who the hell authorized you to call
yourself "we"? You express YOUR opinion and your opinion only. You lie
about Fab claiming that you know everything about the case and don't
even know how many people he killed. Was it 5, idiot?

You lied through your teeth in another posting and when I caught your
lie, you never responded, because you don't have the decency to say
that you lied. Here is a challenge for you, scumbag, go to
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.fan.karla-homolka/browse_frm/thread/719fff4d230a427d/ec3ae9d4ae9d76cf?lnk=st&q=%22fabrikant%22&rnum=6&hl=en#ec3ae9d4ae9d76cf

and respond.

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"Joon" <joohnsmit@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>
> Defender of Enormous Manhood wrote:
>
>>
>> Excuse me? So you are saying that if you were fired a long time ago for 
>> your
>> incompetence, your 5 co-workers would be alive today?
>> But didn't you actually kill them when you realized they were firing your
>> ass.
>>
>> Seems if people take your advice, they wind up dead.
>> They tried to fire you for incompetence and they ended up in the morgue.
>> Three of them instantly, or DOA. And 2 lingered on, one for quite a few
>> months.
>>
>> No Valery, all we want to hear you preach for is retro-active institution 
>> of
>> the death penalty.
>> Anything else you say is bullshit and not very remorseful.
>>
>>
>
> You are a sick, sick, sick man. Who the hell authorized you to call
> yourself "we"? You express YOUR opinion and your opinion only. You lie
> about Fab claiming that you know everything about the case and don't
> even know how many people he killed. Was it 5, idiot?
>
> You lied through your teeth in another posting and when I caught your
> lie, you never responded, because you don't have the decency to say
> that you lied. Here is a challenge for you, scumbag, go to
> http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.fan.karla-homolka/browse_frm/thread/719fff4d230a427d/ec3ae9d4ae9d76cf?lnk=st&q=%22fabrikant%22&rnum=6&hl=en#ec3ae9d4ae9d76cf
>
> and respond.


Um, that is because you are not really important to me Issac and I don't 
look for a reponse.
But now that you ask for one. Check Bill C-217, which your father was 
instrumental in passing into law.
Okay you will forgive me, before your father was disarmed by a brave 
security officer, he shot5 people, with the intent of killing more people.
Of the 5, 3 died relatively instantly, one lingered on for a few months, 
then passed and the 5th, well she is maimed for life, isn't she, I forget 
she didn't die, but I understand she is hooked up to a machine for life, 
because your lovong father blew away some of her vital organs? And she was a 
fucking secretary. How could she have has any blame whatsoever.

Check this oh demented child of Fabrikant - 
http://www.parl.gc.ca/english/hansard/037_96-05-01/037PB1E.html The 
ammendment to the criminal code in respoinse to the circus your father 
performed instead of a trail. I guess you don't know how sick your father is 
and how that sickness tainted the judicial system. He attacked the victims, 
the survivors and the families. No not physically, he would have bene beaten 
down. He attacked them verbally. He also insulted the judge 6 times.

Excuse me, but I think you need to look up the word scumbag. That is your 
father. He is a scumbag, a fraud, a liar, a cheat and a mudering scumbag.
And you are pretty much a scumbag for giving such a human vomit a podium on 
which to fill the public with his stench. I would like to see a law that 
would put you in prison. You father is in prison to rot and be forgotten. 
The public is very insulted that he has a voice through you. Not me, we, 
justy look at the responses you get constantly. You know what I say is fact, 
but you delude yourself. Perhaps it is genetic. You don't mind telling us 
where you work, so we can find a new job if we work in the same place as 
you. I mean since you support your father so vehamently, chances are you'd 
use a gun to try and solve a problem, but just end up ruining your life far 
worse than any employer could by firing you.

Has your father ever said he was sorry for killing 4 people and maiming a 
5th for life? Well he has never said it publically. Besides it is an honest 
mistake to say he killed 5 people when he shot 5 people. I forget sometimes 
that one didn't die, is just tethered to a machine for the rest of their 
life, but in a sense that is a death to, as they lost the life they had.

Oh, and Issac, killing one person is one person too many. And you are taking 
issue with whether it was 4 or 5. Does it actually make a difference.
Oh right I see your Dad is getting upset because he is proud he has killed 4 
people, and doesn't want credit for 5. Or maybe in your sick twisted 
demented head, 4 is perfectly fine, but if it were actually 5 then it would 
have been a terrible crime? The oint is that your father is a fucking 
murdering scumbag, as low and as evil as a person can be. And stupid, so 
fucking stupid, to throw away his life and ruin his families life, and take 
4 lives and mainm a 5th for life, and all the families he ruined, over a 
fucking meaningless job. Don't you actually hate yor father for being such a 
dumb fucking asshole? Okay so blood is thinker than water. He's your Dad. HE 
is not an evil butcher in your eyes, inspite of killing 4 innocent people. I 
mean your Dad was so willing to be his own lawyer, of course in doing so he 
lost. A good lawyer could have goten him off on insanity, because he is 
insane.
Then after years of treatment he would have been a free man. He would have 
been home long ago. But he was so bad at defending himself and turned the 
courtroom in to such a zoo, that he was actually cited as 1 of 2 cases as 
the need for and rational behind bill C-217. I see you are also as ignorant 
and unaware as your father. And further in question is his acedemic 
credentials. His Docorate may well be fake. After all what lead to the 
shooting was a phone call to his University in Russia, who never heard of 
him. Imagine that, never heard of a Valery Fabrikant. In fct he was not only 
going to lose any hope of tenure, but he was going to be exposed as a fake, 
an imposter. And that fear led him to kill the people he did and maim the 
5th.

And you support this sick bastard? Well he is your father, so I guess we 
can't blame you, all we can do is feel sorry for you, and hope this hasn't 
damaged you for life. But you know if Paul BErnardo had some family member 
posting his comments people would also be enraged. It's not your father's 
fault. HE doesn't get access to the Internet. You do. And you post his shit. 
But his shit is supposed to be locked up and removed from society. That is 
why I feel there needs to be a law to stop people like you from facilitating 
convicts from participating in public life. It is a breach of the spirit of 
incarceration. What is the purpose of incarceration when only the body is 
incarcerated? yOu let his mind go free and walk among the public.
In my view that is a crime, and should be legislated against.

Oh, and I will not be looking for a response, so if you respond, and I 
don't, it's not because I am ignoring you, it's thaty nothing you have to 
say is important enough to go back to read. Besides idiot, my comments are 
not for you, they are for your father, and the public at large.

You father should be executed for what he did. Thank your stars that he 
killed 4 people in Canada, and not the USA or Russia where they do kill mass 
murderers without a second thought. But honestly your father should die in 
prison for what he did. We are only keeping him alive because it would break 
your family's heart. Canadians are kind that way. But we still do have the 
option of declaring him a dangerous offender, and don't you forget it. He 
has killed many people, and never shown remorse. Without remorse, he'd 
definely have no compunction about doing it again. And I ask you what else 
do we need to declare him a dangerous offender and keep him til he dies.

And I will tell you this boy genius, keep posting, keep this murdering 
scumbag in the limelight, so people's memory never fades, what do you think 
his chances are if you keep his murdering adventures alive and fresh in 
people's minds. Do you think just as they are about to release him there 
won't be a public outcry, due to your efforts to keep the image of a 
murdering scumbag alive. You may actually be the thing that keeps your 
father in prison until he passes. And when I think about that it is about as 
stupid as shooting 4 people dead and maiming 1 for life because you are 
concerned about getting fired. What ever your reasons for posting your Dad's 
shit, is it worth keeping him in prison until he is dead? Because you are 
making that very possible.

 http://www.parl.gc.ca/english/hansard/037_96-05-01/037PB1E.html

Oh, and we thank your father for causing the law to change!
Now victims families don't have to suffer his kind of abuse in the court 
room any longer, ever again!

We is society. Society has judged your father and found him so guilty, we 
convicted him and sentenced him to life. We the people.
You speak for we the Daddy. I speak for we the people. Not all the people, 
just the majority/

Fabrikant wrote:
> line, let alone to set up a tall tent?  Boy scout leader is supposed to
> be a person highly qualified in surviving skills...

I'm afraid the Boy Scouts are known for some other pretty bad things
these days.

"Nexus7" <ac25kV@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>
> Fabrikant wrote:
>> line, let alone to set up a tall tent?  Boy scout leader is supposed to
>> be a person highly qualified in surviving skills...
>
> I'm afraid the Boy Scouts are known for some other pretty bad things
> these days.

I think that is too concise.
What bad things?
You expect the average reader to know they are buggering little boys?
Well perhaps, but what about the non-average reader?
And is it just these days, or is it only being reported these days?
I mean priests, teachers, troop leaders, coaches, they have all been painted 
as pedophiles these days!
But fact is they have always been sanctuaries for perverts.

Oh, better watch it. Don't want to go to long by giving supporting evidence 
or rationalize and opinion.
It would get too long and boring, and that would render this post useless! 

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"Joon" <joohnsmit@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> Defender of Enormous Manhood wrote:
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>
>>
>>
>> Um, that is because you are not really important to me Issac and I don't
>> look for a reponse.

> You pretend not to understand my question. How did it happen that you
> wrote the number of people killed as 5? There are two options here: you
> didn't know the right number, which means that you were lying that you
> knew everything about the case. Option 2: you knew the right number,
> but you wanted to deceive people hoping that bigger number would create
> more hatred in public. Only people with extremely low morals do these
> kinds of things.

There are only two options? Why because that is the limit of your mind?
How about option 3) I knew the right number of people murdered. I knew the 
number of people shot. I knew more would have been shot if the convict was 
not disarmed. But you know the only time Valery Fabrikant is on my mind is 
when you bring the foul memory back. It's an old memory.
So how about honest recollection that 5 people were murdered, because that 
is the number that stuck, not actually being the number of people that died, 
but the number of people shot. Honest mistake. No malice or deceit intended. 
Pefectly willing to correct the information, I readily admitted it was 4 
killed and 5 shot, the last not slighly, but having part of their organs 
destroyed permanently. And you know I could be lower than scum, but I am a 
saint compared to Fabrikant.

The guy is paranoid delusional. He is classic. From the Prison officials 
trying to kill him by denying him proper medical treatment, from firing his 
lawyers. Oh and thanks for the link to the transcript. I am going to have a 
good laugh reading it. I see it begins with Fabrikant being out of order, 
clueless about procedure and protocol, perhaps over the months I will go 
through it and highlight him being abusive and beligerent. But it looks 
really, really boring, so if I don't get to it, you will excuse me for not 
being obessed with it like you are Buddy.

Be you Issac or his younger brother, be you one of his idolizing students 
who bought into his delusions, I really don't care.
The facts remain, the man's life was never in danger, and he killed people 
because his mind is not sound, and created an alternate reality.
The man is more sick than criminal. One thin line draws the border between 
the madman and the genius, and Fabrikant has hurled over that line towards 
the insane side. I don't even care if the corruption he claimed was true, 
and he was going to be put in jail for 1 year if he didn't accept 3 years 
salary and get the fuck out. That could be truer than true. How does that 
threaten his life. How does deadly force save his live? HE claimed he could 
not get a teaching job at any other University. Doesn't that suggest 
something? Yes, I know to you and him a conspiracy. But to me it suggests 
not having the qualifications or the experience nor the reputation required 
for a teaching position. Still even if it meant an end to a teaching career, 
how is it the death of a scientist? Bullshit. He could teach at a high 
school, he could get a research job in the private sector. His ability to 
teach, his ability to research, his curiosity and quest for knowledge were 
in no way threatened, and even if they were, that is not actually his life.

At worst he is a cold blooded murdered. At best he is a very sick insane 
man. The fact is his justifiaction is not defensable. His actuions were 
criminal. And according to one of his graduate students, his though process 
and planning showed premeditation and faulty logic. The fact that anyone 
would be supportive, draws their sanity into question.

See, I don't have to be credible. I don't have to have all my facts 
straight, and I don't have to defend myself.
Fabrikant had his day in court and was found guilty and convicted and 
sentenced to 25 years in prison.
I don't have to prove anything, the State already has proven he is a 
murderer.

I see you posting his shit and it offends me greatly. And this is all this 
is about.
You can try and drag me into your delusion, but I will not bite.
I will say what I like about Fabrikant. I can make him Satans fuck toy if I 
like.

Fabrikant, the murdering swine, has never appologized to the families 
publically, nor admitted his guilt.
That means he is just aas sick to day, and just as much a danger to society.

But he is paying his dues to society. He is serving his time.
It is YOU I have issue with, giving a murdering swine a day pass to come 
into a public forum and post like he was at home or at work, not like an 
incarerated convicted murdering swine. And I think what you are doing is 
wrong and should be criminalized. No, don't get me wrong, I think you have a 
right to say anything you want about, for, against, related to Fabrikant 
that you want. What I object to is you facilitaqting his escape from prison.
Yet you are letting him free among society. And that Buddy flies in the face 
of the spiriti of incarceration.

The point is to remove and exclude that person from participating in society 
for the duration of their sentence.
Posting in a public forum is not a liberty that a convict should have, and 
if their is a person aiding and abeiting them to escape, even if it is just 
their minds, then I think that should be a crime with sentences that are 
long enough to deter people from doing it.

Hey, wanna bet I can get more public support for that than you can for the 
insnae mudering swine Fabrikant?
Fabrikant is welcome to post here once he finishes his time in prison. Until 
then you are offending many.
And I wonder what the families of the victims think about you and this, 
perhaps they think their should be a law too, and what they think has way 
more weight than you!

What you are really doing is poioning the public against your hero. And the 
more you post his shit, the more you set the public against him.
Of course it might not be that way if people like myself didn't keep 
pointing out who Fabrikant is, and how you facilititate this murdering 
swine.

This will never be about me. You can try and make it about me. But it will 
always be about a convict getting the benefits of a free man. And those that 
conspire to let his mind escape and harrass the public.

So tell us a bit about yourself, and if you are not Issac what nut case you 
are?
Are you an ex-student? Maybe the one who Fabrikant helped finish preparation 
for his dissertation from pison?
Naw, you are too fucked up, you have to be related.



>
> I repeat part of my posting to which you failed to respond:
>
> "I have read the court transcripts. Fabrikant never
> called any family member to testify. I challenge you to reproduce the
> part of court transcript where Fabrikant is brutal to the family
> (http://www.geocities.com/benny_patrick/trans.html) and if you are
> unable to produce this transcript, admit that you are a liar. "

Well as it so happens, thanks to you, I can now produce this transcript.
And in your own words, because I can produce this transcript then I am not a 
liar.
It would only be if I was unable to produce it, that then I would be a lair.
Here you go, idiot! http://www.geocities.com/benny_patrick/trans.html
I have now produced the transcript.

I guess when there are only 2 options in your mind, we get shit like this a 
lot.
A a matter of fact this is so insane, I am wondering now, this must be the 
words of the great poobah murderer himself.
After all Fabrikant loves to defend himself, even if it condemns him to 
losing.
And it focuses on the banal, the area of Fabrikant's expertise, and you 
thought it was Engineering, yeah right!

Tell you what, stop posting, make a movie, and I will promise to buy a 
ticket.
But make it a comedy, all you need is to get Fabrikant to write the screen 
play and you'll have a hilarious box office hit.
I think Robin Williams would be the perfect cast. HE did such a good job in 
Moscow on the Hudson and Dead Poets society.
He could do a really good job on the demented Russian professor who went 
nutzo and killed, ready for this 4 people, shot 5, did have 3 loaded guns 
and boxes of ammo, so the whole bullshit about how the gun just went off is 
crap. You take one gun if you want to intimidate somebody. You only take 3 
fully loaded guns and a boxes of ammo if you are planng a massacre. He went 
there planning on killing everyone. He was stopped after shooting 5, and the 
5th would have been dead had he did what he intended to do, and more would 
have laid dead, had he not been disarmed.

So fuck you asshole. You are a morbid and masturbate with the macabre. You 
love the insane, paranoid and delisional, or you are yourself.

Sorry but hero worship of a murderer is not my idea of a sane person.

Hence I will only entertain myself so far.
And the limit has been reached.
But yes, I will comment everytime I see a post attributed to the murdering 
scumbucket swine Fabrikant.
Be it directed at you for being a facilitator, or Fabrikant for being insane 
and posting shit.
And there is nothing you can do. I am the label that indicates a risk to the 
public. I am the label that divulges the ingredients.
Get used to me. I am a fact of your life.

Oh, and I don't intend to give you the please of a reply again. I willjust 
make my comments and let your rantings stand, if they can.
But we all know if he wasn't stopped, he would have emptied all those guns, 
used up all his ammo, and I bet he would have saved on for himself.
I can see why he was being let go, he isn't very competant at anything 
really. Except maybe Engineering. But the real engineers actually have to 
design stuff, and they all say those who can do, those who can't teach.

And remember, it's not a big deal if I say he killed 50 people of 4. It's 
multiple murders. Murders with only dementia as a justification.
Sorry, Fabrikant knew what he did was wrong. He knows the difference between 
right and wrong. Most paranoids do. He planned it out before hand and was 
prepared for a blood bath. Thank God that security guard was able to disarm 
him and stop his rampage. I mean he was heavily armed enough to set a mass 
murder record. And was going about that course when derailed by force.

Keep posting your shit, and I will see about what I can do from my end to 
make it a crime, okay?