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"Bud Keith" <budk101@attbi.com.> wrote in message news:<Fagaa.5900$sf5.5961@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>...
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> > > > Ed Rhodes <edward.j.rhodes@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > I'm not going to respond point-by-point because this contest has been
>  played
> > > > out millions of times on talk radio, the TV, and groups like this.
>  Also,
> > > > point-by-point gets tiring after a while.  The main thrust of my
>  argument
> > > > that got lost amidst all the details is that "conservative mindset"
>  and
> > > > "liberal mindset" are irrelevant.  What's right is right and what's
>  wrong is
> > > > wrong (no pun intended).
> > >
> > > It's like a litmus test.
> > >
> > > And it always works like this
> > > Conservatives are always right,and liberals are consistently wrong.
> > >
> > > The world wouldn't be in this mess if not for 8 years of liberal rule.
> > >
> > > Clinton the liberal screwed everything up.
> > >
> > > And now George Bush has to fix all those things,and has to put up with
> > > liberals getting constantly underfoot.
> >
> > So everything that the conservative mindset saw as "good and right"
> > for the past 200+ years; British rule, slavery, labor exploitation,
> > [child] exploitation, anti-voting laws, Jim Crow laws, all things that
> > liberal groups fought against were actually right?
> 
> To say that the liberalism todasy equates with the mindset of the founding
> fathers is like saying nite equal day and day equal nite.
> Todays leftists(liberals)are opposed to the basic ideals of the founding
> fathers. The founders dispised central governments governments ruled by
> Kings(dictators). They therefore set up a union of states with most of the
> power going to the states(the government closest to the people), limiting
> the powers of the federal government.
> Todays liberals however see the federal government as a central power
> charged with overseeing the cradle to the grave wefare of the people.
> Liberals also see the federal government as the final arbitor of what they
> call social questions. The government through the use of taxes and other
> means redistributes the wealth of the nation and they alone will determine
> who shall have what.
> The liberal founders of this nation had nothing in common with the
> contemporary liberals of to day.
> The liberals who freed the slaves were Republican liberals who fought the
> civil war with the democrats (conservatives of that day)
> The solid democrtic south was a force to be reckoned with for the next 75 to
> 100 years.
> What I am saying to you is that while the meanings of words (labels)do not
> change. The attitudes of the people who these labelss are applied to do.
> It might be said that yesterdays conservative might be todays liberal and
> vice versa each is the product of the time he lives in .

I notice you didn't answer my direct question.

The conservative of 1776 thought being a colony of England was
wonderful.
The conservative of the 1800s couldn't figure out what all the fuss
about slavery was about.
The conservative at the turn of the twentith century thought working
people (including children) 10-12 hours a day, six days a week was the
best way to make the American dream come true.

Those are yesterday's conservatives and everything they stood for was
fought tooth and nail by yesterday's liberals. Even then, you had
people on the far left... Franklin considered the idea of making our
representatives pay their own expenses to run the country. And people
change sides, John Adams practically became a fascist (sp?) while he
was President. To consider our far left today as the norm is equitable
to our looking to your far right (and you're not foolish enough to
deny they're out there) as [your] norm!