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On 9/12/05 9:24 AM, in article 614bi1tduanlf5j7mc7ibf99v7ecuau6ob@4ax.com,
"Obwon" <obllOob@att.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:30:53 -0700, wrcowan1@hal-pc.org
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kurtz wrote:
>>> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>> news:4323ad07$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> <wrcowan1@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:43226972$0$10624$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Obwon wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans
>>>>>>> convention center yesterday, American Red Cross
>>>>>>> officials said that federal emergency management
>>>>>>> authorities would not allow them to do the same.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The National Guard was the one controling the roads and not FEMA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and
>>>>>>> dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass
>>>>>>> feeding there now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Could this be the reason why people who came down to help were not
>>>>>> allowed to do so?  Off course it is the reason.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "The Homeland Security Department has requested and
>>>>>>> continues to request that the American Red Cross not
>>>>>>> come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler,
>>>>>>> spokeswoman for the Red Cross.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Right now access is controlled by the National Guard
>>>>>>> and local authorities. We have been at the table every
>>>>>>> single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New
>>>>>>> Orleans against their orders."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There it is the National Guard, controlled by the Govenor and not the
>>>>>> Federal Government, controlled access to the city.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The
>>>>>>> goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city,
>>>>>>> and relief operations might keep them there. Security
>>>>>>> is so bad that she fears feeding stations might get
>>>>>>> ransacked.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hmmm, another good reason to keep the masss of volunteers out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah that's a good reason....why not send in troops with the food
>>> 
>>> stations
>>> 
>>>>> and help the people who were not causing trouble....you know, that 90%
>>> 
>>> who
>>> 
>>>>> just wanted to live....nice plan there georgie...
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As the Govenor of Louisian that question.  She is the one who is
>>>> responsible for the National Guard.  Ask her why she did not call up
>>>> enough troops before hand?  Ask her why she delayed in sending them in
>>>> and why she delayed asking for more trrops?  Ask her why she refused to
>>>> allow the Federal Government to step in and provide trrops early in the
>>>> disaster?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Obstacles in downtown New Orleans have stymied rescuers
>>>>>>> who got there. The Salvation Army has two of its
>>>>>>> officers trapped with more than 200 people -- three
>>>>>>> requiring dialysis -- in its own downtown building.
>>>>>>> They were alerted by a 30-second plea for food and
>>>>>>> water before the phone went dead.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, The Salvation Army rented three boats for
>>>>>>> a rescue operation. They knew the situation was
>>>>>>> desperate, and that their own people were inside, said
>>>>>>> Maj. Donna Hood, associate director of development for
>>>>>>> the Army.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "The boats couldn't get through," she said. Although
>>>>>>> she doesn't know the details, she believes huge debris
>>>>>>> and electrical wires made passage impossible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If boasts had trouble getting in the nvehicular traffic would have the
>>>>>> same trouble.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ummm...no...there were many roads that were not under water.....and tehy
>>>>> could have made it to the damn superdome before it became
>>> 
>>> thunderdome....
>>> 
>>>> But did those roads lead to every spot that had people that needed help?
>>>>  No they did not.  The area around the superdome was under water.  To
>>>> get vehicular traffic there takes time.  YOu first have to find a safe
>>>> route that is not totally flooded out that can be used by all the
>>>> personnel that you need not just those who can get through.  Thereal
>>>> question is why was the superdome used when the emergency plan called
>>>> for the school buses to be used to transport people out?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Because New Orleans remains under water, it is
>>>>>>> different from other cities where Katrina struck
>>>>>>> harder, but where relief efforts are proceeding
>>>>>>> normally. Agencies place workers and supplies outside
>>>>>>> disaster areas before storms, to move in quickly. But
>>>>>>> there are always delays, Burton said, because nothing
>>>>>>> is deployed until experts survey the damage and decide
>>>>>>> where to most effectively put relief services.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again another reason why it took time to get any amount of supplies in
>>>>>> and people out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Meanwhile just let the people die until we do a "study" of what's
>>>>> needed....here's a free clue FOOD AND WATER!!
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Another clueless statement.  YOu have to assess what supplies you have.
>>>>  Then you have to assess what means do you have to get them there.
>>>> Next you assess the personel available.  Then you identifiy and
>>>> prioritize those in need.  This does take time.  Sure you could go out
>>>> and make drops of food and water but you have to make sure that not all
>>>> your drops are in one place and another place is totally ignored.  It
>>>> take time and coordination.  But as you well know the National Guard, at
>>>> the orders of the Govenor prevented relief supplies from being delieverd.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> After Katrina, he thought he would have to airlift a
>>>>>>> feeding unit to one isolated town, but a road was
>>>>>>> cleared, he said. He doubts that dropping a kitchen
>>>>>>> into the New Orleans' poisoned waters, filled with raw
>>>>>>> sewage, dead bodies and possible industrial
>>>>>>> contaminants, would do any good. It made sense to
>>>>>>> prepare meals outside the area and truck them in or
>>>>>>> bring people out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Logistics is a taks that so many do not understand.  If you are having
>>>>>> trouble feeding those who are in the city already, think about the
>>>>>> problems that would be encountered if you let every group that wanted to
>>>>>> help in?  They would have problems with getting food, water, sanitation
>>>>>> and someplace to sleeep.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or they would have there own food...since that was what they were
>>>>> bringing...they could have shit in the street like everyone else....and
>>> 
>>> I
>>> 
>>>>> seriously doubt anyone would have been sleeping in the first 48 hours...
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> To have just one person crap in the street is not per se a problem but
>>>> when you have hundreds of people (more people than were originally
>>>> there) doing it then you have a health problem that is compounding the
>>>> existing problem.  Even in the first 48 hrs there will be people
>>>> sleeping that is just good management of resources and the reason you
>>>> have extra personell.  You neglected to say where they were to have
>>>> staged? How would you communicate with them?  YOu know those pesky
>>>> question that need to be answered.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Two words: Gretna - cellphone
>>> 
>>> Game-set-match my ass, you Fascist enabler.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cellphones communicate with Cell phone towers which require power to
>> work.  Many of them were damaged or even under water.  Even satelite
>> phones were not working.
>> 
>> Game Set Match!  read it and Weep.!
>> 
>> MRC
> 
>   Right you are,  so now all you have to do is explain
> how all those reporters were managing to file their
> stories with video and sound footage over the entire
> course of the disaster.
> 
1. Microwave trucks

2. Satellite trucks

3. Generators

And last-but not least----
(unlike the City and State Govt.)

4. Preparation

There-it isn't THAT difficult is it?
Good child. Next question...


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