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Chris wrote:
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>>Chris wrote:
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>>>>Chris wrote:
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>>>>>>Chris wrote:
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>>>>>>>>"Obwon" <obllOob@att.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>Please Phil, there were offers of help pouring in from
>>>>>>>>>all over the world.  Bush kept them out by refusing
>>>>>>>>>aid.
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>>>>>>You are wrong, Foriegn aid is being accepted.
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>>>>>>>>>There was plenty of food and water in NO, it was
>>>>>>>>>in the stores that had been abandoned.  Obviously there
>>>>>>>>>was a plan...   To see to it that as many people would
>>>>>>>>>die as could be killed by benevolent neglect.  Everyone
>>>>>>>>>was working hard to keep aid,  food and water from
>>>>>>>>>coming in.  Or do you somehow believe that it takes
>>>>>>>>>three days to drive trucks from Texas and Fla to NO?
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>>>>>>The Govenor of the state of Louisiana blocked food and supplies from
>>>>>>reaching people trapped at the New Orleans Convention Center and the
>>>>>>Louisiana Superdome.  Those were supplies had locally.
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>>>>>>Now as to getting trucks in from Texas and Fla, the roads were not
>>>>>>passable.  It takes to to map and safe route for convoys to travel.
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>>>>>>>>Yeah, it is funny how kids could steal school busses to get people
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>>>>>but
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>>>>>>>>the government couldn't get military trucks in for three
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>>>days.....those
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>>>>>>>must
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>>>>>>>>be some damn powerful busses. Oops, I ruined another one of the bush
>>>>>>>>faithfuls arguments...damn me all to hell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry to bust your bubble, but the mayor of New Orleans had hundreds
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>>>>>>buses available to evacuate people on.  Houston;s Metro offered to
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>>>>>>every available bus to N.O. to help in the evacuation of the city but
>>>>>>were turned down by the mayor.
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>>>>>>As for the kid who stole a bus, the question is where was he when he
>>>>>>found the bus and where were the people he picked up located?  Could
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> it
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>>>>>>be he originated from an area not as flooded ans the rest of the city?
>>>>>>How long did it take him ot get out?  How many times did he have to
>>>>>>change route?  YOu know it is easy for someone who lives in the city
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> to
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>>>>>>find route out.  For those who do not it is not easy to get into a
>>>>>>flooded city not knowing which streets are passable and which are not.
>>>>>>It takes time to map a route that is safe and passable.
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>>>>>>MRC
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>>>>>So you are saying there is no one from NO in the military who knows
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>>>there
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>>>>>way around the city? And have you heard of this new thing called GPS
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> and
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>>>>>satellite imaging? You could find your way around downtown Baghdad at
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>>>night
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>>>>>in a snowstorm...so don't tell me they couldn't fine their way around
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> NO
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>>>in
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>>>>>the daytime....
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>>>>No, I am not saying that but the majority of the Guard units brought in
>>>>did not know the city.  This is not star trek.  Gizmos are nice but a
>>>>GPS can not tell you what is passible or not.  Not all guard units have
>>>>the latest GPS systems.  Satilite imaging is not something that
>>>>individual units have nor is something the Guard units are equiped with.
>>>> Further more Saltilite imaging does not tell you what is passiable
>>>>(i.e debris or water depth).  When disaster strikes, GPS and Satelite
>>>>imaging  can be worthless wheter you are in Bagdad or New Orleans.
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>>>>MRC
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>>>You don't need the latest GPS....hell the one in my truck could have
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>>>me through there and it is a retail version. And sattelite imaging can
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>>>you quite a bit about the waters depth...like if all you can see of a
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> hosue
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>>>is it's roof, then the water is too deep....but if you can see the
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> hubcaps
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>>>on a Hyundai then it is probably okay to go in there with your $120,000
>>>Hummer....get real and think before you respond...
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>>Perhaps your GPS could have and perhaps it could not.  When an area gets
>>messed up it hard to tell for sure where you are even with a map (that
>>is basically a GPS is, a glorified map).  Satellite images can not tell
>>you much about the water depth.  Who ever sold you that bill of goods is
>>laugh his but off all the way to the bank.  If the water is halfway up a
>>building it is too high to pass satelite immaging available to you and
>>us and hte grunts in the field if the are ven equipt with that device
>>are not real time and are not high resolution.  Those are directed to op
>>centers not real time in the field.
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>>Clearly you have no clue as to the uses, capabilities and limitiations
>>of satelite imaging.  You must be using Google maps too much.
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>>MRC
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> So when those images get to the OPs center...what do they do with them?
> Surely they wouldn't send the information to the troops on the ground now
> would they...I mean just because that is waht the equipment is designed for
> doesn't mean they have to use it that way does it. Sorry, but the clueless
> one in this argument is you if you think they don't have the capability to
> get realtime images on the ground, hell even ones an hour or two old would
> suffice....but don't let logic get in your way.


No, I am aware of how satelitie images are gathered, used and 
interpreted.  I use them all the time.  First satelite resources have to 
be moved into place.  Then the information gathered.  It does not get 
instantly analyized nor does it get directly into the field.  Even if 
satelite information is available it still may not tell you if a road is 
passable (debris or obstacles) or even how high the water is.  I know we 
can get real time images in to the field but we do not have people in 
field who have the skills to do interpretation that you are suggesting 
to be done.  It is one thing to get images showing armor, vehiclesand 
emplacements but it is another to use it to tell you water depths or 
hidden obstacles.

MRC