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"az-willie" <sclause@npole.com> wrote in message
news:cZqFg.211805$k%3.196564@dukeread12...
> Curt said on 8/18/2006 11:14 AM:
> > "az-willie" <sclause@npole.com> wrote in message
> > news:gxkFg.209934$k%3.51087@dukeread12...
> >
> >> Curt said on 8/18/2006 1:59 AM:
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>> Semantics! You know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Don't dance be
> >>>> honest. Wrong is wrong. If your going to bust the dealers then bust
the
> >>>> users too.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I do know exactly what you're talking about. You called illegal
> >>>
> > immigrants
> >
> >>> criminals. They're not. It's not a crime to be an illegal immigrant.
> >>>
> > Thus,
> >
> >>> you can't arrest and jail them. You can only deport them. Thus,
focusing
> >>>
> > on
> >
> >>> employers is not ignoring some criminals while focusing on others. The
> >>>
> > only
> >
> >>> criminals here are the ones who hire illegal workers. Send some to
jail.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Curt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> =========
> >> Gee, you are so good at being wrong you must have a Master Degree in
> >>
> > Error.
> >
> >> Illegally entering the country IS a crime. It is a misdemeanor the
first
> >> offense. Second offense you can get 6 months and a $1000 fine.
> >>
> >> Most / all invaders also commit other crimes. Working illegally IS a
> >> crime. Even APPLYING for a job is a crime. Using false / forged ID to
> >> get a job IS a crime. Many of them buy phony Social Security cards that
> >> use REAL Social Security numbers which is Identity Theft and IS a
crime.
> >>
> >> The invaders are NOT innocent.
> >>
> >
> > Entering the country is a crime. Being in the country is not. Sorry.
That's
> > just how it is. I'm against illegal immigration too, dude, I'm not
arguing
> > that with you. Just sayin', there's no point in talking about arresting
and
> > jailing millions of people because millions of them just plain aren't
> > committing a crime. Plus it would be expensive. A lot more expensive
than
> > jailing the employers. And if the employers were in jail, the illegals
would
> > go home. (They wouldn't have jobs, see.)
> >
> > And pssst.. calling them "invaders" doesn't help your cause or mine. It
> > makes us sound like racists.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> >
> >
> =======
> They HAD to commit the crime of illegal entry in order to be here,
> unless they came in on a visa and stayed. Which is also illegal. So any
> way you slice it, they are committing a crime just being here.
>
> If you think you are playing a fun game of semantics -- let's play.
> Their being ( existence ) is not a crime but their PRESENCE is.
>
> Are you actually trying to be so wrong or does it run in your family?
>
> Calling them invaders is exactly what they are. They are, in fact, an
> economic army actually sent here by the government of Mexico and other
> countries to get jobs which they take away from legal workers. They are
> supposed to send most of the money home.
>
> There is little difference between crossing our border without papers
> and taking a job from an American and sending the money home and coming
> across the border with a rifle on your shoulder and looting a town and
> hauling the goodies back across the border.
>
> Both come without permission, both commit crimes, both cause injury to
> American citizens ( financial and even physical on occasions ).
>
> I have nothing against anyone from any country or race who comes here
> legally -- and stay legally.
>
> You illegal lovers try to paint people with a racist label thinking we
> will shut up and go away and let your deal illegal ones alone.
>
> FUCK YOU

Dude, have you been following anything I said? I'm not an "illegal lover". I
would prefer all illegal workers went home. They're unfair competition for
work, and they lower wages in the lower paid sectors of the market (where
most of us live, of course.) I just think it'd be cheaper to fine and jail
the source of the problem -- the people who hire them thus encourage them to
come up -- than to chase these folks around and try to jail or deport what,
28million of them? My solution would accomplish the same thing, my program
would pay for itself, and my program would work faster. Why go expensive and
complicated when you can do the same thing for free, faster?

Curt