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techman41973@yahoo.com wrote:

> Recently, I was driving home from Portland, OR back to California. I
> was driving at night and a copy hidden on the side nabbed me with a
> laser gun going 85 (speed limit was 65). It pisses me off especially
> when so many drivers were still passing me and apparently were getting
> away with it. The cop was extremely polite and told me I was on audio
> and video surveilance. I don't recall wether I admited any wrongdoing
> on tape.  The ticket is $240, which is shocking considering that a
> 20mph over limit in my home town (an expensive area of CA) is cheaper
> even in a residential area. I don't have the time to drive all the way
> back to Oregon and fight this.
> I would like to know what my options are.
> Is there any way to fight this remotely to get a reduction in fines,
> or to get an extention on paying the fine? Looking for hear from
> others with similar experiences.
> Thanks
> 
> 

See if you can appeal by mail. They Might reduce the fine. If you don't 
plan on coming back here, you could blow it off but check with CA that 
there is not some reciprocal agreement. If you do plan on coming back, 
pay it.

On Sep 5, 10:08 pm, techman41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Recently, I was driving home from Portland, OR back to California. I
> was driving at night and a copy hidden on the side nabbed me with a
> laser gun going 85 (speed limit was 65). It pisses me off especially
> when so many drivers were still passing me and apparently were getting
> away with it. The cop was extremely polite and told me I was on audio
> and video surveilance. I don't recall wether I admited any wrongdoing
> on tape.  The ticket is $240, which is shocking considering that a
> 20mph over limit in my home town (an expensive area of CA) is cheaper
> even in a residential area. I don't have the time to drive all the way
> back to Oregon and fight this.
> I would like to know what my options are.
> Is there any way to fight this remotely to get a reduction in fines,
> or to get an extention on paying the fine? Looking for hear from
> others with similar experiences.
> Thanks

So there are a lot of burglaries in my city.  I guess sthat means that
the cops shouldn't arrest anyone they see doing a burglary.  Pay the
ticket

Harry K

techman41973@yahoo.com wrote:
> Recently, I was driving home from Portland, OR back to California. I
> was driving at night and a copy hidden on the side nabbed me with a
> laser gun going 85 (speed limit was 65). It pisses me off especially
> when so many drivers were still passing me and apparently were getting
> away with it. The cop was extremely polite and told me I was on audio
> and video surveilance. I don't recall wether I admited any wrongdoing
> on tape.  The ticket is $240, which is shocking considering that a
> 20mph over limit in my home town (an expensive area of CA) is cheaper
> even in a residential area. I don't have the time to drive all the way
> back to Oregon and fight this.
> I would like to know what my options are.
> Is there any way to fight this remotely to get a reduction in fines,
> or to get an extention on paying the fine? Looking for hear from
> others with similar experiences.
> Thanks
> 

You got pulled over not because you were the fastest driver on the road 
but because you had out of state plates and likely the other cars around 
you didn't.  The reason is simple, you don't want to drive back from CA 
for a court appearance.  There's a lesson in here somewhere.

You think that fine is shocking, move to VA.  On second thought, don't, 
there's too damn many people here already.

nate

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In article <fbq96l124l2@news2.newsguy.com>, Nate Nagel wrote:
> techman41973@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Recently, I was driving home from Portland, OR back to California. I
>> was driving at night and a copy hidden on the side nabbed me with a
>> laser gun going 85 (speed limit was 65). It pisses me off especially
>> when so many drivers were still passing me and apparently were getting
>> away with it. The cop was extremely polite and told me I was on audio
>> and video surveilance. I don't recall wether I admited any wrongdoing
>> on tape.  The ticket is $240, which is shocking considering that a
>> 20mph over limit in my home town (an expensive area of CA) is cheaper
>> even in a residential area. I don't have the time to drive all the way
>> back to Oregon and fight this.
>> I would like to know what my options are.
>> Is there any way to fight this remotely to get a reduction in fines,
>> or to get an extention on paying the fine? Looking for hear from
>> others with similar experiences.
>> Thanks
>> 
> 
> You got pulled over not because you were the fastest driver on the road 
> but because you had out of state plates and likely the other cars around 
> you didn't.  The reason is simple, you don't want to drive back from CA 
> for a court appearance.  There's a lesson in here somewhere.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2007/gmu-outofstate.pdf

Political Economy at Any Speed: What Determines Traffic Citations?
Michael Makowsky
Department of Economics
George Mason University
Thomas Stratmann
Department of Economics
George Mason University
January 2007

In this paper we study the political economy determinants of traffic 
fines. Speeding tickets are not only determined by the speed of the 
offender, but by incentives faced by police officers and their vote 
maximizing principals. Our model predicts that police officers issue 
higher fines when drivers have a higher opportunity cost of contesting a 
ticket, and when drivers do not reside in the community where they are 
stopped. The model also predicts that local officers are more likely to 
issue a ticket when legal limits prevent the local government from 
increasing revenues though other instruments such as property taxes. We 
find support for the hypotheses. The farther the residence of a driver 
from the municipality where the ticket could be contested, the higher is 
the likelihood of a speeding fine, and the larger the amount of the fine. 
The probability of a fine issued by a local officer is higher in towns 
when constraints on increasing property taxes are binding, the property 
tax base is lower, and the town is more dependent on revenues from 
tourism. For state troopers, who are not employed by the local, but the 
state government, we do not find evidence that the likelihood traffic 
fines varies with town characteristics. Finally, personal 
characteristics, such as gender and race are among the determinants of 
traffic fines.

<...>

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 06:06:26 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:

>techman41973@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Recently, I was driving home from Portland, OR back to California. I
>> was driving at night and a copy hidden on the side nabbed me with a
>> laser gun going 85 (speed limit was 65). It pisses me off especially
>> when so many drivers were still passing me and apparently were getting
>> away with it. The cop was extremely polite and told me I was on audio
>> and video surveilance. I don't recall wether I admited any wrongdoing
>> on tape.  The ticket is $240, which is shocking considering that a
>> 20mph over limit in my home town (an expensive area of CA) is cheaper
>> even in a residential area. I don't have the time to drive all the way
>> back to Oregon and fight this.
>> I would like to know what my options are.
>> Is there any way to fight this remotely to get a reduction in fines,
>> or to get an extention on paying the fine? Looking for hear from
>> others with similar experiences.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>
>See if you can appeal by mail. They Might reduce the fine. If you don't 
>plan on coming back here, you could blow it off but check with CA that 
>there is not some reciprocal agreement. If you do plan on coming back, 
>pay it.

If you blow it off in Oregon you'll get your license suspended there
and in California.  You're 20  mph over the limit and your defense of,
"Why are you citing me when people are going faster?" is a loser.
If you want to fight it, get in touch with the court in Oregon and see
what your options are.  You might be able to have a trial by
declaration or some other way so you won't have to go back there.
Your chances of winning are slim.

tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:

> In article <fbq96l124l2@news2.newsguy.com>, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> techman41973@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Recently, I was driving home from Portland, OR back to California. I
>>> was driving at night and a copy hidden on the side nabbed me with a
>>> laser gun going 85 (speed limit was 65). It pisses me off especially
>>> when so many drivers were still passing me and apparently were
>>> getting away with it. The cop was extremely polite and told me I was
>>> on audio and video surveilance. I don't recall wether I admited any
>>> wrongdoing on tape.  The ticket is $240, which is shocking
>>> considering that a 20mph over limit in my home town (an expensive
>>> area of CA) is cheaper even in a residential area. I don't have the
>>> time to drive all the way back to Oregon and fight this.
>>> I would like to know what my options are.
>>> Is there any way to fight this remotely to get a reduction in fines,
>>> or to get an extention on paying the fine? Looking for hear from
>>> others with similar experiences.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>> 
>> You got pulled over not because you were the fastest driver on the
>> road but because you had out of state plates and likely the other
>> cars around you didn't.  The reason is simple, you don't want to
>> drive back from CA for a court appearance.  There's a lesson in here
>> somewhere. 
> 
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2007/gmu-outofstate.pdf
> 
> Political Economy at Any Speed: What Determines Traffic Citations?
> Michael Makowsky
> Department of Economics
> George Mason University
> Thomas Stratmann
> Department of Economics
> George Mason University
> January 2007
> 
> In this paper we study the political economy determinants of traffic 
> fines. Speeding tickets are not only determined by the speed of the 
> offender, but by incentives faced by police officers and their vote 
> maximizing principals.

What is a "vote maximizing principal"

> Our model predicts that police officers issue 
> higher fines when drivers have a higher opportunity cost of contesting
> a ticket, and when drivers do not reside in the community where they
> are stopped. The model also predicts that local officers are more
> likely to issue a ticket when legal limits prevent the local
> government from increasing revenues though other instruments such as
> property taxes. We find support for the hypotheses. The farther the
> residence of a driver from the municipality where the ticket could be
> contested, the higher is the likelihood of a speeding fine, and the
> larger the amount of the fine. The probability of a fine issued by a
> local officer is higher in towns when constraints on increasing
> property taxes are binding, the property tax base is lower, and the
> town is more dependent on revenues from tourism. For state troopers,
> who are not employed by the local, but the state government, we do not
> find evidence that the likelihood traffic fines varies with town
> characteristics. 

Were states with financial troubles studied?

> Finally, personal characteristics, such as gender and
> race are among the determinants of traffic fines.
> 
> <...>
> 
> 
> 

>>http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2007/gmu-outofstate.pdf
>>
>>Political Economy at Any Speed: What Determines Traffic Citations?
>>Michael Makowsky
>>Department of Economics
>>George Mason University
>>Thomas Stratmann
>>Department of Economics
>>George Mason University
>>January 2007
>>
>>In this paper we study the political economy determinants of traffic 
>>fines. Speeding tickets are not only determined by the speed of the 
>>offender, but by incentives faced by police officers and their vote 
>>maximizing principals.
> 
> 
> What is a "vote maximizing principal"

Note the "pal" at the end of "principal".  In this case, it is the
management chain of the police officer, which quickly gets to the
director, chief, mayor, or governor, all of which are politically-
driven positions.

-- 

On Sep 6, 9:36 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2007/gmu-outofstate.pdf
>
> Political Economy at Any Speed: What Determines Traffic Citations?
>
> In this paper we study the political economy determinants of traffic
> fines. Speeding tickets are not only determined by the speed of the
> offender, but by incentives faced by police officers and their vote
> maximizing principals. Our model predicts that police officers issue
> higher fines when drivers have a higher opportunity cost of contesting a
> ticket, and when drivers do not reside in the community where they are
> stopped. The model also predicts that local officers are more likely to
> issue a ticket when legal limits prevent the local government from
> increasing revenues though other instruments such as property taxes. We
> find support for the hypotheses. The farther the residence of a driver
> from the municipality where the ticket could be contested, the higher is
> the likelihood of a speeding fine, and the larger the amount of the fine.
> The probability of a fine issued by a local officer is higher in towns
> when constraints on increasing property taxes are binding, the property
> tax base is lower, and the town is more dependent on revenues from
> tourism. For state troopers, who are not employed by the local, but the
> state government, we do not find evidence that the likelihood traffic
> fines varies with town characteristics. Finally, personal
> characteristics, such as gender and race are among the determinants of
> traffic fines.
>
> <...>

"Although these anecdotes are consistent with the hypothesis of budget
maximizing municipalities, there is no statistical evidence supporting
the hypothesis traffic fines are issued with the objective to increase
government revenues."

"Forty-six percent of individuals stopped by police officers due to
speeding receive a citation."
 -----

- gpsman

John Reiser <jreiser@BitWagon.com> wrote:

>>>http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2007/gmu-outofstate.pdf
>>>
>>>Political Economy at Any Speed: What Determines Traffic Citations?
>>>Michael Makowsky
>>>Department of Economics
>>>George Mason University
>>>Thomas Stratmann
>>>Department of Economics
>>>George Mason University
>>>January 2007
>>>
>>>In this paper we study the political economy determinants of traffic 
>>>fines. Speeding tickets are not only determined by the speed of the 
>>>offender, but by incentives faced by police officers and their vote 
>>>maximizing principals.
>> 
>> 
>> What is a "vote maximizing principal"
> 
> Note the "pal" at the end of "principal".  

Yeah, I Do know the difference.

> In this case, it is the
> management chain of the police officer, which quickly gets to the
> director, chief, mayor, or governor, all of which are politically-
> driven positions.
> 

And?

On Sep 6, 8:23 pm, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
> techman41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Recently, I was driving home from Portland, OR back to California. I
> > was driving at night and a copy hidden on the side nabbed me with a
> > laser gun going 85 (speed limit was 65). It pisses me off especially
> > when so many drivers were still passing me and apparently were getting
> > away with it.
>
> You got pulled over not because you were the fastest driver on the road
> but because you had out of state plates and likely the other cars around
> you didn't.

I am compelled to point out the implausibility of the OP's claim that
many drivers were passing him and being ignored by LE.

OSP maintains a fairly constant presence on I-5, and local drivers
are, or should be aware of that, and locals do not tend to operate at
90+mph on a deer infested highway at night, and would not expect to
not be ticketed if they did.

> The reason is simple, you don't want to drive back from CA
> for a court appearance.

I would agree that an OR LEO might single out an obviously idiotic CA
driver, but because so many CA drivers drive idiotically, and not due
to the idiot's reluctance to return to OR to contest their well
deserved ticket.
 -----

- gpsman

gpsman wrote:
> On Sep 6, 8:23 pm, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
> 
>>techman41...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I was driving home from Portland, OR back to California. I
>>>was driving at night and a copy hidden on the side nabbed me with a
>>>laser gun going 85 (speed limit was 65). It pisses me off especially
>>>when so many drivers were still passing me and apparently were getting
>>>away with it.
>>
>>You got pulled over not because you were the fastest driver on the road
>>but because you had out of state plates and likely the other cars around
>>you didn't.
> 
> 
> I am compelled to point out the implausibility of the OP's claim that
> many drivers were passing him and being ignored by LE.
> 
> OSP maintains a fairly constant presence on I-5, and local drivers
> are, or should be aware of that, and locals do not tend to operate at
> 90+mph on a deer infested highway at night, and would not expect to
> not be ticketed if they did.
> 
> 
>>The reason is simple, you don't want to drive back from CA
>>for a court appearance.
> 
> 
> I would agree that an OR LEO might single out an obviously idiotic CA
> driver, but because so many CA drivers drive idiotically, and not due
> to the idiot's reluctance to return to OR to contest their well
> deserved ticket.
>  -----
> 
> - gpsman
> 

Oh, look, it's a bitter, assaholic old moron.  Isn't he cute?

nate

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On Sep 5, 10:08 pm, techman41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Recently, I was driving home from Portland, OR back to California. I
> was driving at night and a copy hidden on the side nabbed me with a
> laser gun going 85 (speed limit was 65). It pisses me off especially
> when so many drivers were still passing me and apparently were getting
> away with it. The cop was extremely polite and told me I was on audio
> and video surveilance. I don't recall wether I admited any wrongdoing
> on tape.  The ticket is $240, which is shocking considering that a
> 20mph over limit in my home town (an expensive area of CA) is cheaper
> even in a residential area. I don't have the time to drive all the way
> back to Oregon and fight this.
> I would like to know what my options are.
> Is there any way to fight this remotely to get a reduction in fines,
> or to get an extention on paying the fine? Looking for hear from
> others with similar experiences.
> Thanks

OK, I live south of you.
I friend just over the line from Oregon, in Vacouuver WA.
I'm retired.
I have a clean record,but have been stopped for speeding many, many
times, and speeding safely yet had few points on my licence. It's now
clean.

I'd go there.
If the officer shows up (he might be sorry for you and figure that
he'd give you a break like, happened to me so often.)
If he is there, plead nolo or guilty or whatever and point out how
clear the road was at that point and ask that the incident not ruin
your clean record and complement the officer for his professional
manner and so on.

You will do no worse that if you didn't go, if you behave yourself.

Point of interest:
A neighbor / workmate / friend of mine in San Jose and I both got
caught for speeding the same number of times over a period. Same
height, same age, same race, same profession, same ZIP code. He ended
up with 8 convictions.
I ended up with one and one forfeit of bail.

(PS He was also owner / driver of a race car - I was just a pit-man.
Does that explain anything?)

Your choice.

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scumbag pig in their state

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On Sep 6, 1:08 am, techman41...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Recently, I was driving home from Portland, OR back to California. I
> was driving at night and a copy hidden on the side nabbed me with a
> laser gun going 85 (speed limit was 65). It pisses me off especially
> when so many drivers were still passing me and apparently were getting
> away with it. The cop was extremely polite and told me I was on audio
> and video surveilance. I don't recall wether I admited any wrongdoing
> on tape.  The ticket is $240, which is shocking considering that a
> 20mph over limit in my home town (an expensive area of CA) is cheaper
> even in a residential area. I don't have the time to drive all the way
> back to Oregon and fight this.
> I would like to know what my options are.
> Is there any way to fight this remotely to get a reduction in fines,
> or to get an extention on paying the fine? Looking for hear from
> others with similar experiences.
> Thanks

Your question is what to do about it.  The answer should be obvious.
Pay it because you were admitedly going 20 mph over the limit.  It
makes no difference what the fine is in your hometown.  The fine is
what it is where you were speeding.

Be thankful you were not speeding in Virginia.