🚀 go-pugleaf

FWIW, I agree completely with your position as outlined.  I feel that this
UDP is clearly out of line, and represents an unfortunate over-reaction.

"Elat Lerner" <cx172@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:a5015v$gg9$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...
> (double posted to ott.config/can.legal and to ncf.board.speakers-corner
> and addressed to the NCF Board of Directors)
>
> As a member of National Capital Freenet I would like to find out
> if my BOD supports or is even aware of what ONAG (Ottawa News
> Administrators Group) is currently doing.
>
> As the article attached below outlines, ONAG has been removing
> ALL postings from ANY 'ott' newsgroup on ANY news server which
> have been posted by one certain individual.
>
> Apparently this individual, Louise Marchand, has managed to
> antagonize a large number of people participating in
> 'ott.general' discussions. 'ott.general'  is a newsgroup carried
> by most ISP's operating in Ottawa and some outside of Ottawa.
>
> As far as I can determine, Ms. Marchand has not broken any
> Canadian laws or any 'ott.*' charter rules for that matter.
> She did not post hate literature. From what I can tell (I
> have only read a couple of articles posted by her), all she
> has done is annoy many of the people who cannot resist
> reading and responding to her posts.
>
> Since many complained, ONAG decided to cancel all messages
> posted by Ms. Marchand to any 'ott.*' newsgroups.
>
> This is a very dangerous precedent.
>
> There are many annoying people posting on the internet.
> Complaints regarding  such individuals are traditionally
> handled by their ISP. A third party canceling all articles
> posted by a particular individual at any ISP, is a totally
> different matter.
>
> Since NCF has a seat on ONAG, I wonder if the NCF BOD voted
> in support of canceling all messages posted by Louise Marchand.
>
> Gordon Dewis (gordon@pinetree.org) writes:
> > It is with a certain amount of sadness that I am announcing that after
> > discussion with other members of ONAG, all messages in ott.* groups from
> > Louise Marchand and the IP address(es) she uses will be arbitrarily
> > cancelled until further notice.  Posts which are suspected to be
authored
> > by her under a pseudonym are also subject to cancellation.
> >
> > This will likely generate some discussion and I ask people to move such
> > discussions to ott.config.  Follow-ups to this message should go to
> > ott.config as well.
> >
> > If you wish to discuss this by email, please email ONAG at
> > onag@pinetree.org.
> >
> > Gordon Dewis
> > Ottawa News Administrators Group      http://onag.pinetree.org
>
>
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cx172@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Elat Lerner) wrote in message news:<a5015v$gg9$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>...
> (double posted to ott.config/can.legal and to ncf.board.speakers-corner
> and addressed to the NCF Board of Directors)
> 
> As a member of National Capital Freenet I would like to find out 
> if my BOD supports or is even aware of what ONAG (Ottawa News 
> Administrators Group) is currently doing.
> 
> As the article attached below outlines, ONAG has been removing
> ALL postings from ANY 'ott' newsgroup on ANY news server which
> have been posted by one certain individual.
> 
> Apparently this individual, Louise Marchand, has managed to
> antagonize a large number of people participating in
> 'ott.general' discussions. 'ott.general'  is a newsgroup carried
> by most ISP's operating in Ottawa and some outside of Ottawa.
> 
> As far as I can determine, Ms. Marchand has not broken any
> Canadian laws or any 'ott.*' charter rules for that matter.
> She did not post hate literature. From what I can tell (I
> have only read a couple of articles posted by her), all she
> has done is annoy many of the people who cannot resist
> reading and responding to her posts.
> 
> Since many complained, ONAG decided to cancel all messages
> posted by Ms. Marchand to any 'ott.*' newsgroups.
> 
> This is a very dangerous precedent.
> 
> There are many annoying people posting on the internet.
> Complaints regarding  such individuals are traditionally
> handled by their ISP. A third party canceling all articles
> posted by a particular individual at any ISP, is a totally
> different matter.
> 
> Since NCF has a seat on ONAG, I wonder if the NCF BOD voted
> in support of canceling all messages posted by Louise Marchand.
> 
> Gordon Dewis (gordon@pinetree.org) writes:
> > It is with a certain amount of sadness that I am announcing that after
> > discussion with other members of ONAG, all messages in ott.* groups from
> > Louise Marchand and the IP address(es) she uses will be arbitrarily
> > cancelled until further notice.  Posts which are suspected to be authored
> > by her under a pseudonym are also subject to cancellation.
> >
> > This will likely generate some discussion and I ask people to move such
> > discussions to ott.config.  Follow-ups to this message should go to
> > ott.config as well.
> >
> > If you wish to discuss this by email, please email ONAG at
> > onag@pinetree.org.
> >
> > Gordon Dewis
> > Ottawa News Administrators Group      http://onag.pinetree.org


Can you direct to some examples of these posts?

JV

Elat Lerner <cx172@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> spewed forth to ott.config on 20 Feb 2002 11:26:55 GMT:

> Apparently this individual, Louise Marchand, has managed to
> antagonize a large number of people participating in
> 'ott.general' discussions. 'ott.general'  is a newsgroup carried
> by most ISP's operating in Ottawa and some outside of Ottawa.

The problem as I see it has been that Louise rolled into ott.general with no intention of any kind at having a 
discussion on anything.  Her entire intent was to disrupt the group by posting trash that could easily be discredited, 
and much of it was questioned which resulted in nothing flames and man-hating spouts.  She is a self-admitted sexist and 
man hater.  She has on many occasions even relied to posts that had nothing to do with her and called the poster names 
simply because he was a man, and asked about why she would then go off and flame the hell out of you.

Posting to newsgroups is not a constitutional right, it's not a right granted by the UN Human Rights folks, it's a 
privilege.  Established netiqutte does suggest that you shouldn't act like a complete idiot for your entire time in 
Usenet, but alas this is how Louise has acted.  I do have to say she is not alone.  I myself am guilty of poking the 
bear as well, but it was generally in response to a hostile response.

The point is, if you want to act like an idiot there is no place for you in more normal groups like ott.general, there 
are plenty of alt.* groups out there that more then welcome this sort of flaming behavour, in ott.general it's not at 
all welcome.  As I said she isn't alone, which also suggests there are plenty of people that continue to poke and push 
looking for a rise, these people too should really consider moving on.

If on the other hand Louise (and the others) are willing to have civilized discussions where people are expected to ask 
such things as where did you get that info, provide URLs, ISBNs for books, etc, etc.  To date this has been a problem.

Just my 2p worth (Sorry we don't have any cents in the UK :) )

TO THE GROUP

--



"Robert P. McKenzie" <rr10@rpmdp.com> wrote in message
news:a50emv$nlm@chezpat.rpmdp.com...
> Elat Lerner <cx172@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> spewed forth to ott.config on 20
Feb 2002 11:26:55 GMT:
>
> > Apparently this individual, Louise Marchand, has managed to
> > antagonize a large number of people participating in
> > 'ott.general' discussions. 'ott.general'  is a newsgroup carried
> > by most ISP's operating in Ottawa and some outside of Ottawa.
>
> The problem as I see it has been that Louise rolled into ott.general with
no intention of any kind at having a
> discussion on anything.


that's right, i originally came in to sell goods ...........i was attacked
ferociously and decided to stand my ground.........since then i have decided
to write a book on newsgroups so i have participated in the group and
collected tons of data.................i am not usually the one to provoke
or insult.............its usually the other way around


Her entire intent was to disrupt the group by posting trash that could
easily be discredited,


that is not true...........i post bona academic feminist writings 90% of the
time, the rest is media clips and usually on poverty or some other womyn
issues

> and much of it was questioned which resulted in nothing flames and
man-hating spouts.

it was rejected because the group hates feminists and anything feminists
write


 She is a self-admitted sexist and
> man hater.

i am not sexist and i dont hate men.........i feel sorry but most of you,
but i dont hate u


 She has on many occasions even relied to posts that had nothing to do with
her and called the poster names
> simply because he was a man, and asked about why she would then go off and
flame the hell out of you.


when sexist material is written it is usually men that are posting, so its
not a BIG stretch to assume such things even when wrong occasionally, i have
been more right than wrong

> Posting to newsgroups is not a constitutional right, it's not a right
granted by the UN Human Rights folks, it's a
> privilege.

prove it please

 Established netiqutte

who'se version?

 does suggest that you shouldn't act like a complete idiot for your entire
time in
> Usenet,

you, the man who changed HIS IDENTITY 15 TIMES IN ONE DAY and JUST TO FORCE
ME TO SEE YOUR POSTS WHEN I HAD KILLFILED YOU?  i killfiled u 15 times that
day and still u invented NEW NAME and NEW EMAIL addresses and YOU are
complaining about ME?

 but alas this is how Louise has acted.  I do have to say she is not alone.
I myself am guilty of poking the
> bear as well, but it was generally in response to a hostile response.

i was IGNORING you and you could not STAND IT

>
> The point is, if you want to act like an idiot there is no place for you
in more normal groups like ott.general, there
> are plenty of alt.* groups out there that more then welcome this sort of
flaming behavour, in ott.general it's not at
> all welcome.


i have broken NO rules

As I said she isn't alone, which also suggests there are plenty of people
that continue to poke and push
> looking for a rise, these people too should really consider moving on.

YOURSELF INCLUDED THEN  SINCE YOU ARE ONE OF THE WORST OFFENDERS?

>
> If on the other hand Louise (and the others) are willing to have civilized
discussions where people are expected to ask
> such things as where did you get that info, provide URLs, ISBNs for books,
etc, etc.  To date this has been a problem.
>

i am the person on this ng who has provided the MOST urls, the MOST ISBN,
the MOST of every conceivable type of citation and yet you state THE ABOVE?
nobody BUT me provides them.........unless its a quick media clip, i am YET
to see anyone but ME doing as you now say i dont do!  you are nuts!

> Just my 2p worth (Sorry we don't have any cents in the UK :) )

and why are YOU here, since you dont belong even in CANADA?  i suspect this
is LAN the feminist hater that has also followed me from
alt.feminist...........he advocates murdering all feminists if indeed this
is HIM............and he would only know about me through my participation
in alt.feminism or through andrew, mark, michael of john jones

spits

Get a grip! Stop reposting your garbage! We've seen it all, already!


"Dan" <louizzze@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ryXc8.7520$lG.5202@news2.bloor.is...
> TO THE GROUP
>
> --
>
>
>
> "Robert P. McKenzie" <rr10@rpmdp.com> wrote in message
> news:a50emv$nlm@chezpat.rpmdp.com...
> > Elat Lerner <cx172@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> spewed forth to ott.config on 20
> Feb 2002 11:26:55 GMT:
> >
> > > Apparently this individual, Louise Marchand, has managed to
> > > antagonize a large number of people participating in
> > > 'ott.general' discussions. 'ott.general'  is a newsgroup carried
> > > by most ISP's operating in Ottawa and some outside of Ottawa.
> >
> > The problem as I see it has been that Louise rolled into ott.general
with
> no intention of any kind at having a
> > discussion on anything.
>
>
> that's right, i originally came in to sell goods ...........i was attacked
> ferociously and decided to stand my ground.........since then i have
decided
> to write a book on newsgroups so i have participated in the group and
> collected tons of data.................i am not usually the one to provoke
> or insult.............its usually the other way around
>
>
> Her entire intent was to disrupt the group by posting trash that could
> easily be discredited,
>
>
> that is not true...........i post bona academic feminist writings 90% of
the
> time, the rest is media clips and usually on poverty or some other womyn
> issues
>
> > and much of it was questioned which resulted in nothing flames and
> man-hating spouts.
>
> it was rejected because the group hates feminists and anything feminists
> write
>
>
>  She is a self-admitted sexist and
> > man hater.
>
> i am not sexist and i dont hate men.........i feel sorry but most of you,
> but i dont hate u
>
>
>  She has on many occasions even relied to posts that had nothing to do
with
> her and called the poster names
> > simply because he was a man, and asked about why she would then go off
and
> flame the hell out of you.
>
>
> when sexist material is written it is usually men that are posting, so its
> not a BIG stretch to assume such things even when wrong occasionally, i
have
> been more right than wrong
>
> > Posting to newsgroups is not a constitutional right, it's not a right
> granted by the UN Human Rights folks, it's a
> > privilege.
>
> prove it please
>
>  Established netiqutte
>
> who'se version?
>
>  does suggest that you shouldn't act like a complete idiot for your entire
> time in
> > Usenet,
>
> you, the man who changed HIS IDENTITY 15 TIMES IN ONE DAY and JUST TO
FORCE
> ME TO SEE YOUR POSTS WHEN I HAD KILLFILED YOU?  i killfiled u 15 times
that
> day and still u invented NEW NAME and NEW EMAIL addresses and YOU are
> complaining about ME?
>
>  but alas this is how Louise has acted.  I do have to say she is not
alone.
> I myself am guilty of poking the
> > bear as well, but it was generally in response to a hostile response.
>
> i was IGNORING you and you could not STAND IT
>
> >
> > The point is, if you want to act like an idiot there is no place for you
> in more normal groups like ott.general, there
> > are plenty of alt.* groups out there that more then welcome this sort of
> flaming behavour, in ott.general it's not at
> > all welcome.
>
>
> i have broken NO rules
>
> As I said she isn't alone, which also suggests there are plenty of people
> that continue to poke and push
> > looking for a rise, these people too should really consider moving on.
>
> YOURSELF INCLUDED THEN  SINCE YOU ARE ONE OF THE WORST OFFENDERS?
>
> >
> > If on the other hand Louise (and the others) are willing to have
civilized
> discussions where people are expected to ask
> > such things as where did you get that info, provide URLs, ISBNs for
books,
> etc, etc.  To date this has been a problem.
> >
>
> i am the person on this ng who has provided the MOST urls, the MOST ISBN,
> the MOST of every conceivable type of citation and yet you state THE
ABOVE?
> nobody BUT me provides them.........unless its a quick media clip, i am
YET
> to see anyone but ME doing as you now say i dont do!  you are nuts!
>
> > Just my 2p worth (Sorry we don't have any cents in the UK :) )
>
> and why are YOU here, since you dont belong even in CANADA?  i suspect
this
> is LAN the feminist hater that has also followed me from
> alt.feminist...........he advocates murdering all feminists if indeed this
> is HIM............and he would only know about me through my participation
> in alt.feminism or through andrew, mark, michael of john jones
>
> spits
>
>
>