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>>>>> At 08:44 10/10, Tracy Hornschuch <browntr@engr.orst.edu> said:
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> Two questions for you...
> 
> 1) are you a Promise Keeper?
> 
> 2) if so then are you admitting that the Promise Keepers are telling their
> wives that they are taking about their leadership in the household?
> 
> If so then this is telling women that they must follow their husbands and
> do what they are told.  And then marriages wouldn't be that two-way road
> anymore.

This is a tangent, but I'll answer anyway.

1. I don't think so, but you might reasonably disagree.  I've never been to
   a PK event.  On the other hand, I've read the "seven promises" and the
   statement of faith, and I see nothing to argue with there.

2. There's a typo that makes this question hard to answer as written.  But
   I'll try.  Yes, because PKers *are* taking the leadership role in the
   household.  No, because that role does not mean what you think.

PK critics consistently misunderstand the meaning of "authority" and
"leadership" in the Christian context.  Look at Matthew 20:25-28 to see
what I'm talking about:

    Jesus called them together and said, "You know that the rulers of the
    Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority
    over them.  Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great
    among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be
    your slave-- just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to
    serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

Christian authority and leadership are about service, not domination.

I think you might well change your mind about PK if you had personal
acquaintance with a few PK families.  I have a few within my circle of
friends.  None of these marriages can remotely be described as "women
following their husbands and doing what they are told".  Instead I see a
man and woman who have jointly decided where they want to go -- which is,
primarily, the Kingdom of Heaven -- and a man trying to stay out in front
on their way to this mutually-chosen destination, leading through service,
placing the interests of his family ahead of his own desires.

That's not much like the NOW description.  How will you decide which
version to believe?  The easy way is to choose the version that best fits
your existing belief; the hard way is to ignore both sides and go find out
for yourself.  Up to you...

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