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Article #186Re: The Correct Challenge (WAS: Re: NOW challenge to PK)
From: Daniel B. Holzman
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:00
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:00
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In article <61eh5k$cm5$1@Mars.mcs.net>, Karl Denninger <karl@MCS.COM> wrote: > >>but maybe just >>maybe they are seeing them as a group of men who want to make women >>subservient. > >Again, the Gospel (if you believe in such) is rather clear on the truth of >this matter. It sure is... Ephesians 5:22-28 (KJV) "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself." Exactly how can this be taken as anything except an hierarchical arrangement with the husband dominant and wife submissive? [Hint: The fact that the husband is being called to be a good ruler reinforces this notion of the hierarchical arrangement, it does not refute it.] >Why don't we talk about divorce in this context.... How do you end up in >divorce court if you're a PKer? Oh, that's easy. You tell your wife you're "taking back" your role as leader, just like McCartney wants you to. Your wife then tells you she's not having any of that, and files for divorce if you continue to insist on "taking back" your role as leader. -- Daniel B. Holzman -- Love does not subtract, it multiplies. -- All acts of love and pleasure are Her rituals. -- An it Harm none, do what you Will. -- They took my name and stole my heritage, but they didn't get my goat. -- The word is all of us. -- Remember the Twelth Commandment and keep it Wholly.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10e835,c2790f16bb9117a8 X-Google-Attributes: gid10e835,public X-Google-Thread: fe6e4,c2790f16bb9117a8 X-Google-Attributes: gidfe6e4,public X-Google-Thread: 15f5e3,c2790f16bb9117a8 X-Google-Attributes: gid15f5e3,public X-Google-Thread: f5de8,c2790f16bb9117a8 X-Google-Attributes: gidf5de8,public X-Google-Thread: 1082f5,c2790f16bb9117a8 X-Google-Attributes: gid1082f5,public X-Google-Thread: fdc4a,c2790f16bb9117a8 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdc4a,public X-Google-Thread: 115ded,c2790f16bb9117a8 X-Google-Attributes: gid115ded,public From: holzman@xochi.tezcat.com (Daniel B. Holzman) Subject: Re: The Correct Challenge (WAS: Re: NOW challenge to PK) Date: 1997/10/08 Message-ID: <61gaiu$5dl@xochi.tezcat.com> X-Deja-AN: 278731818 References: <61dror$2f2$6@gail.ripco.com> <61e92e$7id$1@Mars.mcs.net> <Pine.SUN.3.96.971007145528.3025A-100000@flop.engr.orst.edu> <61eh5k$cm5$1@Mars.mcs.net> Organization: Winterdream Newsgroups: rci.general,chi.media,chi.general,alt.feminism,soc.women,soc.men,alt.politics.liberalism