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Re: The Correct Challenge (WAS: Re: NOW challenge to PK)

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From: Daniel B. Holzman
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:00
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In article <61eh5k$cm5$1@Mars.mcs.net>, Karl Denninger <karl@MCS.COM> wrote:
>
>>but maybe just
>>maybe they are seeing them as a group of men who want to make women
>>subservient.  
>
>Again, the Gospel (if you believe in such) is rather clear on the truth of
>this matter.  

It sure is...

Ephesians 5:22-28 (KJV)

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the
Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the
head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the 
church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands 
in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved 
the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse 
it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to 
himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; 
but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their 
wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself."

Exactly how can this be taken as anything except an hierarchical
arrangement with the husband dominant and wife submissive?  [Hint:  The
fact that the husband is being called to be a good ruler reinforces this
notion of the hierarchical arrangement, it does not refute it.]

>Why don't we talk about divorce in this context....  How do you end up in
>divorce court if you're a PKer?  

Oh, that's easy.  You tell your wife you're "taking back" your role as
leader, just like McCartney wants you to.  Your wife then tells you she's
not having any of that, and files for divorce if you continue to insist on 
"taking back" your role as leader.

-- 
Daniel B. Holzman -- Love does not subtract, it multiplies. -- All acts of love 
and pleasure are Her rituals. -- An it Harm none, do what you Will. -- They
took my name and stole my heritage, but they didn't get my goat. --  The
word is all of us. -- Remember the Twelth Commandment and keep it Wholly. 
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From: holzman@xochi.tezcat.com (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re: The Correct Challenge (WAS: Re: NOW challenge to PK)
Date: 1997/10/08
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