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In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.971008090410.4388C-100000@flop.engr.orst.edu>,
Tracy Hornschuch  <browntr@engr.orst.edu> wrote:
>
>On 8 Oct 1997, Karl Denninger wrote:
>
>> In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.971007201300.17640C-100000@flop.engr.orst.edu>,
>> Tracy Hornschuch  <browntr@engr.orst.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >Karl,
>> >
>> >First off I will tell you up front ... don't you ever call me a bigot ever
>> >again.  That is something I am not.  
>> 
>> On the contrary.  When you condemn people and *demand* that they follow
>> *your* path or you will call them all kinds of ugly names then that's
>> exactly what you are. 
>
>I've never condemned anyone and never called anyone ugly names.  You are
>the only one who has done this.

On the contrary.

You have insisted that the PKers aren't worthy of your support until and
unless they play your way, by your rules, and admit people based on your
standards.

In fact, you accused them of blatent discriminatory behavior and policies.

>My point...
>
>That people should not turn to a bible to define themselves or find
>justification is their actions.  To be a good person it should come from
>the heart and soul of that person.  Not a Bible.

I don't believe you can cite any place where the PKers have said this, or
that anyone else in this debate (including me) has said that in fact the
"justification" for these actions comes from the Bible.

But again, if someone *believes* in the Bible, and in Jesus Christ, and
forms a group with a bunch of other people who *also* believe in the same
things, and between the group of them they manage to increase their resolve
to live in an ethical and honest fashion in their daily lives, what's the
problem?

Why does it always have to be on someone else's terms?

>I support the overall concept that the Promise Keepers are trying to pass
>along, but it should not come from a Bible.

So you stand in judgement of them because they formed around a particular
set of beliefs and faiths?

>If people are trying to define themselves based on a Bible and not what is
>coming from their heart and sould, then they are or could be lieing to
>themselves.  And sooner or later it will catch up to them.  I define
>myself based on my experinces and my current state.
>
>So, my ending note on all of this... you must of really lied to me about a
>lot of things.  Right?  'Cause you claimed it came from the soul, not a
>book.

I find it very curious that you would take the fact that I happen to think
that the PKers have a good thing going and apply it to me *personally*.

See, I'm not a PKer.  Never have been.  Have no desire to be one.

Taking arguments out of context and refusing to address the point is usually
the last refuge of someone who doesn't *have* a point.

I'm done here; I've said my peace, and you've said yours.

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