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Article #383Re: Any Sony CD Guru out there?
From: Howard Ferstler
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:08
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:08
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Clyde Slick wrote: > > "Howard Ferstler" <ferstle@attglobal.net> wrote in message > news:42D48301.739A088E@attglobal.net... > > Clyde Slick wrote: > >> > >> "Howard Ferstler" <ferstle@attglobal.net> wrote in message > >> news:42D47BFB.8C63757F@attglobal.net... > >> > Clyde Slick wrote: > > > >> >> Damn it, there are those pesky expectation effects again. > > > >> > You are just trying to rationalize the fact that you simply > >> > must have something exotic and esoteric to believe in. (That > >> > this involves audio gear and not some kind of religious > >> > deity and a need for salvation shows a monumental smallness > >> > of mind.) That you place expectation effects higher up on > >> > the scale than simply not hearing differences during a DBT > >> > says more about you as a true believer than it does about > >> > any kind of audio gear. > > > >> Take a good look at the test methodology, it only accounts > >> for eliminating one side of the expectation effects, the expectation > >> that there will be differences. It does not address eliminating > >> expectation > >> effects, based upon an expectation that they will sound the same. Thus, > >> this so-called "unbiased" test is actually quite biased towards > >> producing your "expected" results. > >> the units > > > > This is baloney. You either hear differences or you do not. > > > > you don't need the test to do that! But you do need to properly level match, and you also need to go the DBT route if the participant has preconceptions about a favored amp or set of wires sounding superior. If you do not employ the DBT protocol there is no way to tell if the participant is hearing differences or simply imagining things - or saying that he hears differences in order to sell a product. Well, we have all gone over this many times before. Howard Ferstler
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