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"Amos Nandy" <amos_nandy@cebu.net> wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:19:05 -0500, "John Donovan"
> <5l40sdm02@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Amos Nandy" <amos_nandy@cebu.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:52:47 -0500, "John Donovan"
>>> <5l40sdm02@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"kujebak" <kujebak@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:03babf30-8e41-451b-86c0-7a684111527b@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Z. wrote:
>>>>>> kujebak <kujebak@eudoramail.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Bill Z. wrote:
>>>>>> >> kujebak <kujebak@eudoramail.com> writes:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> >  Normal transmission of the HIV virus between individuals is
>>>>>> >> > entirely dependent on a specific type of sexual contact which is
>>>>>> >> > predominant among homosexual men.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Would you care to revise that statement?  It is the "entirely" 
>>>>>> >> part
>>>>>> >> that is wrong.  The probability of infection per sex act is 
>>>>>> >> highest
>>>>>> >> for one particular sexual practice, but it is not zero for other
>>>>>> >> ones, including ones common among heterosexuals.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> It's bad form to send out messages that suggest something is
>>>>>> >> completely safe when it isn't.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > That was not my point. My point was that normal sex
>>>>>> > among homosexual men is far more risky, with respect
>>>>>> > to HIV transmission, than normal sex (including oral sex)
>>>>>> > among heterosexuals, to the tune of something like 20%
>>>>>> > for the former compared to one tenth of one percent for
>>>>>> > the latter. What is *your* point? That HIV is not just a pro-
>>>>>> > blem of homosexual lifestyle? A disease that spreads
>>>>>> > in the human population predominantly by anal intercourse?
>>>>>> > How could it not be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My point was that what you wrote, regardless of what you probably
>>>>>> meant, was wrong.  If you weren't a jerk (as you turned out to be)
>>>>>> you would have merely posted a correction: your use of the word
>>>>>> "entirely" meant that the risk for any other type of sexual activity
>>>>>> was zero and that simply isn't the case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You claimed to have some health care experience. If so, you should
>>>>>> have realized that posting misleading information that unknowledgable
>>>>>> members of the public might see is not a good idea, particularly
>>>>>> when you state such experience up front.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you weren't so bigoted (you obviously are) you would have realized
>>>>>> what I was saying - it had nothing to do with "lifestyles" real or
>>>>>> imagined.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing "misleading" in what I said. I merely cut
>>>>> through decades of willful misinformation piled upon this
>>>>> subject. Your refusal to deal with facts underlying this...
>>>>
>>>>The Gay Community is the ONLY people who dealt with the *facts* about
>>>>HIV/AIDS.
>>>
>>> Bull Shit!
>>
>>You're refuting me without any facts.  The gay community themselves were
>>responsible for education, testing and incredibly reducing the infection
>>rate.
>>
>>>>The Gay Community (with little if any help from anyone else) helped stem
>>>>the
>>>>tide of Aids.
>>>
>>> Bull Shit! The promiscuous behavior of homosexual males...
>>
>>Again, do you have any fats to really refute the statement...or more
>>cut/paste crap?
>>
>>The rate of infection declined dramatically.  Who was responsible for
>>education, testing and reducing this rate?
>
> There has been NO DECLINE in the rate of HIV/AIDS cases among male
> homosexuals in the US.
>
> . "In the United States, HIV-related illness and death
> historically have had a tremendous impact on men who have sex with men
> (MSM). MSM accounted for 70% of all estimated HIV infections
> (including MSM who are also injection drug users) among male adults
> and adolescents in 2004 (based on data from 35 areas with long-term,
> confidential name-based HIV reporting), even though only about 5% to
> 7% of male adults and adolescents in the United States identify
> themselves as MSM, and 51% of all people receiving a diagnosis of
> HIV/AIDS that year."    <HIV/AIDS/MSM>   www,cdc.gov
>
>
>>The gay community itself.
>>
>>>>So, don't lecture anyone on the denial.
>>>
>>> Don't try to bull shit us.
>>
>>Facts is facts.
>>
>>Although you promiscuous heteros have been responsible for spreading
>>Ghonnorhea,  Chlamydia and the calp since the days of columbus.
>
> Another of your head up your ass facts.
>
> Now for the TRUTH!
>
> Number Of Syphilis Cases Rising Among MSM In U.S., Could Increase Risk
> Of HIV Transmission, CDC Officials Say
> Main Category: HIV / AIDS
>
> The number of syphilis cases is increasing among men who have sex with
> men in the U.S., which could boost the population's risk of
> contracting HIV, CDC officials said on Friday, Reuters Health reports.
> According to the officials, the number of syphilis cases in the U.S.
> reached an all-time low in 2000. However, the number of cases has
> risen annually from 2000 to 2005, the most recent year for which the
> agency has figures. CDC analysts estimate that in 2000, MSM accounted
> for 7% of syphilis cases in the country but accounted for more than
> 60% in 2005. According to CDC, syphilis incidence in the overall
> population was 2.1 cases per 100,000 people in 2000, compared with
> three cases per 100,000 people in 2005, or 8,724 cases. www.cdc.gov
>
>>>>Local, State and the Federal government have been in a state of denial
>>>>since
>>>>1985.
>
>>>
>>> Bull Shit. The states and the Federal government have spent BILLIONS
>>> on AIDS education
>>
>>Again, back to facts.  Under Ronadl Reagan when this all began, the fed
>>government did nothing.
>>
>>Most of the research that has helped with the 'cocktail' medication came
>>from European countries.
>
> Funded by the US tax dollars
>
>>> (to no avail among homosexual males who, for the
>>> most part are governed by sexual promiscuity)...
>
>>Emotions.  No facts.
>
> Try "Homosexuals know how AIDS is transmitted yet they make little
> effort to abate it. The number of AIDS cases in the US among
> homosexual males increase every year." They now account for almost 70%
> of all AIDS case among males in the US will they represent less than
> 5% of the population
>
>>> and free treatment
>>> (with very expensive drugs)  for the AIDS infected homosexual males
>>
>>There is free treatment available?!?!?!?    You can get the drugs for 
>>free?
>>
>>Wow!  Why aren't we telling people about that?
>
> Some of you are always a day late and a dollar short - in your case it
> seems to be simple stupidity though.
>
>>
>>> who can't keep their dick out of their BUTT BUDDY'S ass..
>>
>>Pardon me, but I think the heteros have who zoned districts in each town
>>dedicated to the fact that they can't control themselve.
>
>>These districts are filled with hetero married men, who can't seem to be
>>satisfied with the woman they asre married to.
>
> Fallacy - the last resort of a whipped homosexual.

I was just passing by, and have little to contribute to the sum of human 
knowledge, except to tell a story...

We retired to the Sierra Nevada (so the reason for sac.general) but lived 
all over the world, with the 1990s in Dallas, Texas.  I sang (and still do) 
in a number of choirs, and go to listen to all that I can.  The Turtle Creek 
Chorale is amongst the best, and we went to their Dallas Christmas concert. 
At the beginning, the chorus filed out, each with a poinsettia plant, and 
they were placed at the stage front, maybe 30-50 plants, I did not take any 
special notice, other than it was a classy way to dress a bare stage, and 
they were a classy act.   They did (as always) an outstanding show (they 
have many recordings) and at the end of the show the announcer indicated the 
symbolism of the plants.  Each plant represented a member of the choir that 
had died of AIDS.  And, he said, this was the first year, in ten years, that 
they did not have anyone die of AIDS.  The audience applauded quietly, with 
obvious mixed emotions.  Some of the relatives of the dead were in the 
audience, so there could not be any real celebration.

I never knew then, and I do not know now, how to react to something like 
that.  There must be a reason, somewhere, somehow, that I do not know 
anything about.  All I do know is that we are all human beings, and that we 
should try to help each other out, as best we can.