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Article #839Re: Why don't they mark SMD caps?
From: Shaun
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:14
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:14
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"Dennis" <dennis@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:4a683e83$0$9756$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au... > > "Shaun" <not.today@go.away.au> wrote in message > news:4a68395a$0$3253$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... >> >> "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message >> news:ttqdnac-5O96jPXXnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@posted.localnet... >>> David L. Jones wrote: >>>> An interesting question was posted on another forum: >>>> "can you get (ceramic) SMD caps (1206,0805 etc) with the values printed >>>> on them?". >>>> >>>> My first response was that I've very rarely seen this (like maybe >>>> once), and while it is possible (see >>>> http://www.synrad.com/search_apps/application_briefs/117-2.htm), you >>>> basically can't get labeled ones, they are almost always without >>>> markings. >>>> >>>> It got me to thinking, why is it so? >>>> My guess would be that it's due to the surface finish (or lack thereof) >>>> on ceramic capacitors, and/or the delicate nature of their multi-layer >>>> construction means they could be more easily damaged or properties >>>> altered by the process. >>>> As opposed to most SMD resistors that have a coating on them which >>>> would allow for easy and accurate printing using various technologies. >>>> >>>> Any know the real reason(s) why ceramic SMD caps don't have markings? >>>> >>>> Dave. >>> Ahh..the caps could likewise be coated (and AFAIK they .are. coated >>> prior to potting for leaded versions). >>> Then, given that coating, they could be marked like the resistors you >>> mentioned. >>> BUT..that was "never" done so it will not be done (gotta stay in that >>> rut...). >> >> I doult very much any manufacter would coat SMD caps as it would increase >> the height to capacitor sits above the board, increasing the mounted >> inductance, a crital factor when designing high frequecny boards. >> Manufactuers spend a lot of money trying to reduce this unwanted >> property. >> >> see http://www.avx.co.il/docs/techinfo/licadesign.pdf >> or >> http://www.kemet.com/kemet/web/homepage/kfbk3.nsf/vaFeedbackFAQ/D1A54E16FEC61B058525721E006EF53C/$file/Sun%20Paper%20on%20ESL%20&%20ESR.pdf >> although these articles deal with via placement they discuss the need to >> reduce the size of the loop that current flows in, a loop that would be >> increased if a capacitor had an extra coating on it. >> >> > > Coating or encapsulation? Coating could be insignificantly thin. It might be possible but I can't think of any non-conductive material that could be layered thin enough and still go through a wave solder machine.
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