Re: Perpetuum Mobile invented !

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From: Andreas Haffner
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:00

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Andreas Haffner wrote:
> 
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> > ... some history deleted which is not important in this context...
> 
> > >Both systems you describe seem to be an energy storage, but not an engine in usual
> > >sense. And making energy storages 100% efficient is not so hard as long as it is
> > >mechanical work you are storing: a spring for instance.
> >
> > Sorry, but a spring (or *any* mechanical energy storage system) has internal
> > losses which result in <100% efficiency.
> >
> > >- Andreas Haffner
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > * Good, fast, cheap!  (Pick 2) *
> 
> Well, well... I will not argue here too strong but imagine: If there was any loss in a
> spring it would not return to its original position after being depressed. So I guess
> the efficiencey is at least some 99.99999% or more. How long would your car engine run
> if  the valve springs had losses?
> 
> What about the energy stored in the velocity of a planet orbiting in (theoretically)
> absolute vacuum the sun?
> 
> But okay, maybe I overlook something... Any corrections from the net?
> 
> - Andreas Haffner

Some additions: I think the point is: no serious problem to build a 
(nearly) loss free storage but what does it help: the conversion is the 
problem - charging and discharging gives the losses.

- Andreas Haffner

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From: Andreas Haffner <ahaffner@aft.sn.no>
Subject: Re: Perpetuum Mobile invented !
Date: 1996/06/10
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