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Article #5117Re: Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford
From: Brian M. Scott
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:07
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:07
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:46:28 -0800 (PST), "benlizro@ihug.co.nz" <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote in <news:57e17629-efda-43fb-8836-2b39f7c9d18c@k18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> in sci.lang,humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare: > On Mar 9, 10:36�am, elizabeth <messageform...@yahoo.com> wrote: [...] >> O was bawdy Elizabethan for orgasm. > You have some evidence of this? It seems unlikely, given > that OED does not record "orgasm" at all in English until > some decades after Shakespeare's death, and then only in > the sense of a violent spasm. The sexual sense does not > appear until mid-18th century. I'm comparing this with > Malvolio's "thus makes she her great P's", which was > mentioned recently. Even though unequivocal attestations > of "pee" appear only much later, it is easy to accept > that the play was intended here, given the punning in the > immediate environment, and the fact that the base-word > "piss" had been well established since the 14th century. As further evidence, I'm pretty sure that such an identification doesn't appear in Pauline Kiernan's rather extensive _Filthy Shakespeare: Shakespeare's Most Outrageous Sexual Puns_. Brian
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