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WELL... I was born on (as us Americans would say) December 29, 1981
(12-29-81)
Month day year

seems fairly simple to me.

"Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> I've often wondered at American logic re the presentation of dates as -
> month-day-year.  I can understand : day-month-year, and its reverse of :
> year-month-day, because these show a progression from smallest unit to
> largest, or vice versa.  But month-day-year?  Or is it just that the US
has
> to be different from everyone else?
> "On the eleventh day of the ninth month, in the year of Our Lord two
> thousand and one...."
> ===============================================
>
>


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mm/dd/yyyy is totally illogical.

It should be either yyyy/mm/dd or dd/mm/yyyy.  The USA has it wrong.  But
try telling them that!!!  They have a monopoly over commonsense.



"Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:Uyte9.27070$g9.76749@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> I've often wondered at American logic re the presentation of dates as -
> month-day-year.  I can understand : day-month-year, and its reverse of :
> year-month-day, because these show a progression from smallest unit to
> largest, or vice versa.  But month-day-year?  Or is it just that the US
has
> to be different from everyone else?
> "On the eleventh day of the ninth month, in the year of Our Lord two
> thousand and one...."
> ===============================================
>
>

Only one thing - if you enter dates as say 110902, or 70402 etc, when you
computer sort, the dates come out in order. Otherwise its what you are used
to...

All the best

Ian Macmillan

"Gregory Toomey" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Dfve9.27112$g9.76881@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> Joe Blow wrote in message <19ve9.81596$Fb.3414611@news1.west.cox.net>...
> >WELL... I was born on (as us Americans would say) December 29, 1981
> >(12-29-81)
> >Month day year
> >
> >seems fairly simple to me.
> >
> In Australia you would be born on the 29th of December 1981.
>
> gtoomey
>
>
>
>

Good question.
The Chinese and Japanese convention is to begin with the general, move 
to the specific, then to the detail. That's why surnames are placed 
first. Dates appear as year-month-day.
That doesn't help answer your question though.

Don H wrote:
> I've often wondered at American logic re the presentation of dates as -
> month-day-year.  I can understand : day-month-year, and its reverse of :
> year-month-day, because these show a progression from smallest unit to
> largest, or vice versa.  But month-day-year?  Or is it just that the US has
> to be different from everyone else?
> "On the eleventh day of the ninth month, in the year of Our Lord two
> thousand and one...."
> ===============================================
> 
> 

"Ian Macmillan" <iandmac@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:OoFe9.27514$g9.78361@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> Only one thing - if you enter dates as say 110902, or 70402 etc, when you
> computer sort, the dates come out in order. Otherwise its what you are
used
> to...

70402
70502
70601   ??
80402   ??
110901 ??
110902  ??

y-m-d
20010607
20010911
20020407
20020408
20020911   --- 10000 days make a yearr, slots are cheap

all dates are arbitrary points on a contiunuum
hardly surprising there are different interpretations
none of the usual forms make any particular 'sense'

c'mon people haven't we come up with something better since the Baylonians ?
roll on decimal time ;-)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=babylonian+base+6
0&spell=1

"Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> writes:
>I've often wondered at American logic re the presentation of dates as -
>month-day-year.  I can understand : day-month-year, and its reverse of :
>year-month-day, because these show a progression from smallest unit to
>largest, or vice versa.  But month-day-year?  Or is it just that the US has
>to be different from everyone else?

Actually, we were wondering the same about Europe's weird dating
conventin of putting the month and date in backwards order: is it just
that Europe and its former empires have to be different from everyone else?
Not just that but also with abbreviations, oftentimes, especially if not in
English, e.g., a "National Front For The Liberation Of Eschenstein" might
be rendered as FLENTOF, instead of NFFTLOE.

Makes you wonder if they also drive on the wrong side of the streets
anywhere over there...

whopkins@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) wrote in message news:<alies2$voj$1@uwm.edu>...
> "Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> writes:
> >I've often wondered at American logic re the presentation of dates as -
> >month-day-year.  I can understand : day-month-year, and its reverse of :
> >year-month-day, because these show a progression from smallest unit to
> >largest, or vice versa.  But month-day-year?  Or is it just that the US has
> >to be different from everyone else?
> 
> Actually, we were wondering the same about Europe's weird dating
> conventin of putting the month and date in backwards order: is it just
> that Europe and its former empires have to be different from everyone else?

You mean Europe, Africa, Most of Asia, South America and Australasia 
just have to be different from everyone else. How difficult of this
small minority.
Bye the way, all of North America was part of European empires too.
 
> Not just that but also with abbreviations, oftentimes, especially if not in
> English, e.g., a "National Front For The Liberation Of Eschenstein" might
> be rendered as FLENTOF, instead of NFFTLOE.
> 

Oftentimes?

> Makes you wonder if they also drive on the wrong side of the streets
> anywhere over there...

That's Napoleans fault I'm afraid.

Just what is the fuss over the 9th November, 2001?

"Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:Uyte9.27070$g9.76749@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> I've often wondered at American logic re the presentation of dates as -
> month-day-year.  I can understand : day-month-year, and its reverse of :
> year-month-day, because these show a progression from smallest unit to
> largest, or vice versa.  But month-day-year?  Or is it just that the US
has
> to be different from everyone else?
> "On the eleventh day of the ninth month, in the year of Our Lord two
> thousand and one...."
> ===============================================
>
>

"Phar Kenell" <pharkenell@bigpond.com> writes:

|> Just what is the fuss over the 9th November, 2001?



    With or without religion you will have good men doing good things
        and evil men doing evil things; but to get good men doing
                 evil things - for that you need religion.



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Or politics.
"Bill Taylor" <mathwft@math.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote in message
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> "Phar Kenell" <pharkenell@bigpond.com> writes:
>
> |> Just what is the fuss over the 9th November, 2001?
>
>
>
>     With or without religion you will have good men doing good things
>         and evil men doing evil things; but to get good men doing
>                  evil things - for that you need religion.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>         Bill Taylor                  W.Taylor@math.canterbury.ac.nz
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timm@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (Tim Mellor) wrote:
> You mean Europe, Africa, Most of Asia, South America and Australasia 
> just have to be different from everyone else. How difficult of this
> small minority.

You mean, the Commonwealth, the former French Empire and not much more.

> Bye the way, all of North America was part of European empires too.

Don't be obtuse.

whopkins@csd.uwm.edu (Alfred Einstead) wrote in message news:<e58d56ae.0209110913.1b3be6c8@posting.google.com>...
> timm@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (Tim Mellor) wrote:
> > You mean Europe, Africa, Most of Asia, South America and Australasia 
> > just have to be different from everyone else. How difficult of this
> > small minority.
> 
> You mean, the Commonwealth, the former French Empire and not much more.
> 
> > Bye the way, all of North America was part of European empires too.
> 
> Don't be obtuse.

I think you'll find that the Portugeese and Spanish and Dutch had
empires too, not to mention the Germans and the Russians.

Always thought the Portuguese were a fowl sort of people.
"Tim Mellor" <timm@amsta.leeds.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:e43616aa.0209120202.46e8d4c5@posting.google.com...
> whopkins@csd.uwm.edu (Alfred Einstead) wrote in message
news:<e58d56ae.0209110913.1b3be6c8@posting.google.com>...
> > timm@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (Tim Mellor) wrote:
> > > You mean Europe, Africa, Most of Asia, South America and Australasia
> > > just have to be different from everyone else. How difficult of this
> > > small minority.
> >
> > You mean, the Commonwealth, the former French Empire and not much more.
> >
> > > Bye the way, all of North America was part of European empires too.
> >
> > Don't be obtuse.
>
> I think you'll find that the Portugeese and Spanish and Dutch had
> empires too, not to mention the Germans and the Russians.

Bill Taylor wrote:
> 
> "Phar Kenell" <pharkenell@bigpond.com> writes:
> 
> |> Just what is the fuss over the 9th November, 2001?
> 
>  With or without religion you will have good men doing good things
>      and evil men doing evil things; but to get good men doing
>              evil things - for that you need religion.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Bill Taylor                  W.Taylor@math.canterbury.ac.nz
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

NB:    Indeed, an 'ideal' is like a multiplicative zero: 
         attracting everything like a black hole... 
              ... the ultimate single focus.
     =====================================================
     Monoid, Monopoly, Monotheism, Monoxyz --> Intolerance

Old and Cranky wrote:
> 
> mm/dd/yyyy is totally illogical.
> 
> It should be either yyyy/mm/dd or dd/mm/yyyy.  The USA has it wrong.  But
> try telling them that!!!  They have a monopoly over commonsense.

	As someone else pointed out, the most logical system is
yyyy/mm/dd, which of course can be broken down to:

	millenium, century, decade, year / month (1-12) / day (1-31).

	I think the American system comes from the habit of
speaking the date without the year:

	"April 1st", "July 9th", etc, with the year sometimes
"thrown in" as an "afterthought" ("April 1st, 1994").

	It is no more logical to specify numbers 13 through 19 with
the least significant digit first (eg: "four-teen"), and
then switch to least significant digit last after that
("twenty-four", etc).

	Language, including numbers, is a mixture of logical rules
and illogical habits. The habits are far more persistent
than the rules.

		BradHAWK

Old and Cranky wrote:
> mm/dd/yyyy is totally illogical.
> It should be either yyyy/mm/dd or dd/mm/yyyy.  The USA has it wrong.

It's all equally [il]logical.

The only logical system for dating tabulates time (in a worldline
specific way) as the total number of Planck time units since the
beginning of the Universe ... which would be February 14, 1964 on
the calendar in common use.

Mark wrote:
> 
> Old and Cranky wrote:
> > mm/dd/yyyy is totally illogical.
> > It should be either yyyy/mm/dd or dd/mm/yyyy.  The USA has it wrong.
> 
> It's all equally [il]logical.
> 
> The only logical system for dating tabulates time (in a worldline
> specific way) as the total number of Planck time units since the
> beginning of the Universe ... which would be February 14, 1964 on
> the calendar in common use.

	I like your way of thinking. So how old would that make
your mother?

		BradHAWK