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Started by Eddie Chandler
Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:54
Re: Impure Mathematics
Author: Eddie Chandler
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:54
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:54
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From: mitchell@oac3.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Philip Mitchell)
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Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
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Date: 27 Aug 1992 14:11:30 GMT
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In article <1992Aug26.214334.5602@news.acns.nwu.edu> fred@iapetus.earth.nwu.edu
(Fred Marton) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.185715.5040@noao.edu> muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)
writes:
>>
>>I totally agree Suzanne! I wonder if they found it funny if the two
>>genders would have been reversed!
>>
>>Beatrice
>
>sure, why not? it's known as having a sense of humor.
>
>fred
Without belaboring the point...
Oh look! What a collection of mathematical puns, and put together in
a story. How amusing!
Oh, but the story portrays the assault and rape of a woman. That's a
real problem, in which real people are physically and mentally scarred,
and from which recovery is difficult. It has been compounded in the
past by an attitude that projects the 'blame' onto the victim or that
refuses to recognize this violence as a crime at all, because 'boys
will be boys.' And it is a crime that is only recently being recognized
as a crime of violence against the individual. Since this recognition
is so late in coming, there are probably a lot of people who are
sensitive to the issue, and will be mad as hell if someone suggests,
in whatever way, that rape should be considered in any other way.
Reversing the genders does not really convey the same emotion since most
men never have to worry about it (note the 'most'...there are exceptions to
everything). Maybe a 'funny' story full of puns about war atrocities, read
to the victims, would produce more comparable results.
--
Phil Mitchell Office of Academic Computing
UT Health Science Center 6431 Fannin MSB 4.022, Houston, TX 77030
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>> Firstly - yes it is clever for someone to use lots of mathematical
>> terminologies.
>> Secondly - The subject is STILL R A P E
>> This problem IS SERIOUS and must never be BELITTLED!!
>> Thirdly - what do you mean by 'most men never have to worry'
>> What planet are you on?? EVERYBODY is potentially at risk!
>> Also, be careful what you say about men being raped/attacked.....
>> I have friends who have suffered the trauma & humiliation of this,
>> and I am sure that most other people find YOURS (AND FREDS) attitude
>> rather sad.
>> In case you think I am getting on 'my soap box', you're wrong its
>> just that some of us are more HUMAN than you.
>> Lastly - with regards to writing about 'War atrocities' to get more
>> comparable results - GROW UP!!
>> Eddie
Re: Impure Mathematics;
Author: jrm
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:05
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:05
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In article <1992Aug28.142440.5580@schbbs.mot.com>, TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler) writes: >>>I totally agree Suzanne! I wonder if they found it funny if the two >>>genders would have been reversed! >>> >>>Beatrice >> >>sure, why not? it's known as having a sense of humor. >> >>fred > > Without belaboring the point... > > Oh look! What a collection of mathematical puns, and put together in > a story. How amusing! > > Oh, but the story portrays the assault and rape of a woman. That's a > real problem, in which real people are physically and mentally scarred, > and from which recovery is difficult. It has been compounded in the > >>> Firstly - yes it is clever for someone to use lots of mathematical >>> terminologies. >>> Secondly - The subject is STILL R A P E >>> This problem IS SERIOUS and must never be BELITTLED!! >>> Thirdly - what do you mean by 'most men never have to worry' >>> What planet are you on?? EVERYBODY is potentially at risk! What a bunch of idiots. You all act as if this 'Impure' text is going to be the holy writ for a vile new empire. No chance. The 'PC' people are screaming about 'sensitivity' towards rape or whatever ... the hell with it. Deal with your own problems and keep the government and censorship out of it. What do you all expect ... 'Instant Civility' (as defined by the PC) ? Sorry, but it will not happen. If you want to change attitudes, it will take literally *generations*. Social and cultural issues cannot be rendered as empirical logical decisions. There is no 'right' way that any person can deviate from. If the 'Impure' author thought rape might be funny under some circumstances ... then he did. Tough shit. Who will offer proof positive that a severely predatory male-oriented universe is *not* the better way ? You cannot do it. Cultural matters are relative. Since this is a 'sci' newsgroup ... take it as a Darwinian thing ... the more children you father - by whatever means - the more your genes will be preserved for the future. In this context, 'Curly Pi' and his aggressive attitude will win out. Aesthetics pales against genetic survival.
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