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Article #447Re: Measurement & Precision
From: Cosma Shalizi
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 02:11
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 02:11
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In article <1992Nov2.043143.24298@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:
>Imagine you are a stone age philosopher. All you have are your big chunky
>stone tools to work with to engineer with for everyday life.
>You produce a persuasive argument that it is impossible to ever produce
>tools, machines and measurements that are accurate to within micrometers
>(or fractions of a camel's hair).
>It is obvious to you that your coarse implements can't measure to any greater
>accuracy than they are already and so engineering to greater precision
>is philosophically impossible, by simple inductive reasoning.
>Where is the flaw in his argument?
1. Induction is not valid. This has been known for some time. There are
many inductive arguments which are rational - the fact that all observed
crows have been black _is_ reason to believe that all crows are black -
but not valid, the way, "All men are mortal, and Socrates is a man,
therefore Socrates is mortal" is valid.
2. This is not a philosophical argument but an engineering one. "With our
current technology, it is impossible to make things finer than a
camel's hair, and we can think of no ways of improving things to get
around this limitation." This is a very sound argument. With stone age
techniques and science, there is no way to make tools or measurements
of the desired accuracy.
>I'm wondering to what extent we are tricking ourselves with words
>(like the stone age man example did) today when we grapple with such
>philosophical mysteries as quantum mechanics, mind-body problem,
>determinism v. free will etc.
I have yet to see arguments - serious, competent arguments - advanced on
those problems that depended on the state of our engineering. Certainly this
is not the problem with quantum mechanics. In brief: No - not like your
stone age philosopher was.
P.S. See Ch. 4 of _The Plato Cult_ in re pseudo-questions, Derek.
Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
In Real Life: lizi@ocf or lizi@soda .berkeley.edu
larval physicist
--
"What's the use of being an American citizen if I can't swear when I
damn well want to?" - My mother, while waiting in line in Heathrow
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