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Article #621Re: Measurement & Precision
From: John Whitmore
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 20:56
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 20:56
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In article <1dck8fINNgie@agate.berkeley.edu> lizi@soda.berkeley.edu (Cosma Shalizi) writes: >In article <1992Nov2.043143.24298@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes: >>Imagine you are a stone age philosopher. All you have are your big chunky >>stone tools to work with to engineer with for everyday life. >>It is obvious to you that your coarse implements can't measure to any greater >>accuracy than they are already and so engineering to greater precision >>is philosophically impossible, by simple inductive reasoning. > 1. Induction is not valid. This has been known for some time. There are > many inductive arguments which are rational - the fact that all observed > crows have been black _is_ reason to believe that all crows are black - > but not valid, the way, "All men are mortal, and Socrates is a man, > therefore Socrates is mortal" is valid. Induction IS valid, it is the basis of all science. It just isn't LOGICALLY valid (i.e. an inductive argument is not a logical proof). Just to further complicate matters, a 'proof by induction' is the name of an argument which is not inductive, and which is logically valid. > 2. This is not a philosophical argument but an engineering one. Yep. For instance, a lathe (consisting of two fixed centers) can spin its workpiece about a line which is as perfect as the flexing of the support of the centers allows: there is NOTHING to limit the circularity of work on the lathe that relates in any way to the 'accuracy' of the centers. To take a second example, one can run two wheels on parallel axes and make a centerless grinding rig; such machinery produces (routinely) hardened steel rods with .0001" accuracy, from grinding wheels which are considerably coarser than the accuracy to be attained (again, it is the rigidity of the centers that matters most). The caveman's measuring tools include flakes of stone with sharp edges (obsidian knives are VERY nice tools in many respects), with which accurate marking onto a scale is possible; the limit of caveman measurement accuracy is just about the limit of his visual ability to see differences, and I'm sure he could achieve hundredth-of-an-inch comparisons. Lastly, it is possible to scale down a machine by pantograph-like methods: a large accurate screw can be used thus to make a small, even-more-accurate screw... and thus one can bootstrap from crude mechanisms to more accurate ones. Getting back to the larger scale is just a matter of stacking the small, accurate devices atop each other, like Johansson blocks. John Whitmore
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Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech,sci.physics,sci.skeptic Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!usenet.coe.montana.edu!news.u.washington.edu!carson.u.washington.edu!whit From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) Subject: Re: Measurement & Precision Message-ID: <1992Nov7.205622.24843@u.washington.edu> Sender: news@u.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Washington, Seattle References: <1992Nov2.043143.24298@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> <1dck8fINNgie@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:56:22 GMT Lines: 55