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Article #631Re: DETERMINISM 1: `Refutation' the first
From: David Spurrett
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 18:54
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 18:54
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In article <1992Nov5.191446.15657@mp.cs.niu.edu> rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes: >In article <spurrett.23.720960465@superbowl.und.ac.za> spurrett@superbowl.und.ac.za (David Spurrett) writes: [Deletions...] >> For example when one person pushes another over a cliff we direct >> our criticism/ revenge/ abuse/ rehabilitation/ whatever at the person who >> `did' the pushing. Some archaic legal systems had different economies of >> `do-ers' and, for example, tried crows for crop damage. NO LEGAL SYSTEM >> HAS EVER `TRIED' A LAW OF NATURE, OR A MECHANICAL DEVICE. > >This is simply not true. Mechanical devices are sometimes subjected to >scientific and engineering tests, and the results of these tests are >brought to a court for decision. The decision might, in effect, be a >judgment of summary execution (perhaps in the form of a product recall). >Certainly the treatment of mechanical devices is different, but this is >because mechanical devices are presumed not to have free will, and thus >unable to change their behavior. `Test' is not a `trail' in the legal sense concerning motivation, and applicability of various moral evaluations. In court we attempt to establish whether a person is to be called a `Murderer' (in any of various degrees) or a `Man Slaugterer' or a `Culpable Homiciderer' or `Innocent' (which is precisely the logic of the humour when the Laura Dern character says to Sailor (who has just called himself a `murderer') `Don't exaggerate: you're just a Man-slaugterer.') When testing, eg, the breaking properties of some substance we want to know simply whether or not it did, or perhaps would, break. There is no question of moral evaluation/content. There is certainly no question of a machine/law of nature being charged with a crime, which is my point. The metaphor of `summary execution' is completely off the point, as your own suceeding sentence admits. [Deletions...] o------------------------------------------o------------------------------o | David Spurrett, department of Philosophy | `I have seen the truth, and | | University of Natal, Durban | it makes no sense.' | | email: spurrett@superbowl.und.ac.za | - OFFICIAL! | o------------------------------------------o------------------------------o
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!psgrain!ee.und.ac.za!shrike.und.ac.za!pc14.superbowl.und.ac.za!spurrett From: spurrett@superbowl.und.ac.za (David Spurrett) Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech,talk.philosophy.misc Subject: Re: DETERMINISM 1: `Refutation' the first Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:54:34 GMT Organization: University Of Natal (Durban) Lines: 40 Message-ID: <spurrett.31.721248874@superbowl.und.ac.za> References: <spurrett.17.720882610@superbowl.und.ac.za> <spurrett.23.720960465@superbowl.und.ac.za> <1992Nov5.191446.15657@mp.cs.niu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc14.superbowl.und.ac.za