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Re: Numbers and sets

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From: Michael Zeleny
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:46
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In article <BzzHDI.2Bv@umassd.edu>
pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman) writes:

>In article <1992Dec28.155555.21505@guinness.idbsu.edu>,
>holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes) writes:

>>In article <Bzsrvt.167@umassd.edu> 
>>(Stephen Grossman) pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU writes:
SG:
>>>Is there a relationship between sets and Plato's Forms?

RH:
>>Plato's Forms were ideal exemplars of
>>mundane objects; sets do not have this character (the set of all
>>natural numbers is not a perfect natural number).  

SG:
>Perhaps I should have asked about Kantian, subjective forms. I am starting 
>"Plato, Kant and Aristotle in Math" by Glenn Marcus (2nd Renaissance Books,
>1991, audio) and should have some wisdom on math soon.

Indeed, you should.  Alas, you will not.

You will not have any "wisdom on math" for the same reason you will
not have any on "Kantian, subjective forms".  The reason is that your
hallowed sourses of holy Objectivism lie.  There are no such things as
subjective forms; moreover, Kantian philosophy is not concerned with
the question of forms, period.  End of this discourse.

SG:
>Marcus says scientists (excepting computer scientists w/info theory) use
>only pre-20th century math and quotes a leading mathematician on the 
>impracticality of math. Comments?

Sure thing, I will give you comments.  Modern mathematics is widely
used in physics, chemistry, and biology.  Consequently, Marcus is a
fraud or an ignoramus; most likely, he is both.  You, on the other
hand, are a tiresome, gullible fool.  It takes all kinds.

>================================================================================
>	"In that world, you'll be able to rise in the morning with the spirit
>you had known in your childhood: that spirit of eagerness, adventure and cer-
>tainty which comes from dealing with a rational universe."
>                                                              AYN RAND
>================================================================================
>Stephen Grossman <PMSC13SG@UMASS.EDU>
>================================================================================

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
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