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Article #5434Re: WHAT THERMODYNAMICISTS HAVE TAUGHT FOR 140 YEARS
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Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:20
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:20
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On Mar 2, 2:39 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://www.beilstein-institut.de/bozen2004/proceedings/CornishBowden/... > Athel Cornish-Bowden: "The concept of entropy was introduced to > thermodynamics by Clausius, who deliberately chose an obscure term for > it, wanting a word based on Greek roots that would sound similar to > "energy". In this way he hoped to have a word that would mean the same > to everyone regardless of their language, and, as Cooper [2] remarked, > he succeeded in this way in finding a word that meant the same to > everyone: NOTHING. From the beginning it proved a very difficult > concept for other thermodynamicists, even including such accomplished > mathematicians as Kelvin and Maxwell; Kelvin, indeed, despite his own > major contributions to the subject, never appreciated the idea of > entropy [3]. The difficulties that Clausius created have continued to > the present day, with the result that a fundamental idea that is > absolutely necessary for understanding the theory of chemical > equilibria continues to give trouble, not only to students but also to > scientists who need the concept for their work." > > http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00000313/ > Jos Uffink: "The historian of science and mathematician Truesdell made > a detailed study of the historical development of thermodynamics in > the period 1822-1854. He characterises the theory, even in its present > state, as 'a dismal swamp of obscurity' (1980, p. 6) and 'a prime > example to show that physicists are not exempt from the madness of > crowds' (ibid. p. 8) ...Clausius' verbal statement of the second law > makes no sense...All that remains is a Mosaic prohibition; a century > of philosophers and journalists have acclaimed this commandment; a > century of mathematicians have shuddered and averted their eyes from > the unclean... Seven times in the past thirty years have I tried to > follow the argument Clausius offers... and seven times has it blanked > and gravelled me... I cannot explain what I cannot understand....This > summary leads to the question whether it is fruitful to see > irreversibility or time-asymmetry as the essence of the second law. Is > it not more straightforward, in view of the unargued statements of > Kelvin, the bold claims of Clausius and the strained attempts of > Planck, to give up this idea? I believe that Ehrenfest-Afanassjewa was > right in her verdict that the discussion about the arrow of time as > expressed in the second law of the thermodynamics is actually a RED > HERRING." Well, many of them understand the economics of entropy well enough, but not the materials of entropy. Which is why robots, lasers, and computers were developed for the wanks. > > http://www.worldscibooks.com/popsci/etextbook/6261/6261_preface.pdf > Arieh Ben-Naim: "I waited patiently to ask something, though I was not > sure what the question would be. What is this thing called entropy and > why does it always increase? Is it something we can see, touch or feel > with any of our senses? Upon finishing her exposition, the lecturer > interjected, "If you do not understand the Second Law, do not be > discouraged. You are in good company. You will not be able to > understand it at this stage, but you will understand it when you study > statistical thermodynamics next year.".....Not only do we not know the > source which supplies the fuel for the ever-increasing entropy, but no > source is permitted, in principle, no feeding mechanism and no > provision for any supplies of anything from the outside. Besides, how > is it that "structure" and "order" have crept into the discussion of > entropy, a concept that was defined in terms of heat and > temperature?......I taught thermodynamics and statistical mechanics > for many years. During those years, I came to realize that the mystery > associated with the Second Law can never be removed within classical > thermodynamics......I believe that the turning point in my own > understanding of entropy, hence also in my ability to explain it to my > students came when I was writing an article.....Once the haze > dissipated, everything became crystal clear. Not only clear, but in > fact obvious; entropy's behavior which was once quite difficult to > understand, was reduced to a simple matter of common sense. Moreover, > I suddenly realized that one does not need to know any statistical > mechanics to understand the Second Law. This might sound > contradictory, having just claimed that statistical mechanics harbors > the clues to understanding the Second Law...." > > http://www.worldscibooks.com/chemistry/6469.html > Arieh Ben-Naim: "A FAREWELL TO ENTROPY. The principal message of this > book is that thermodynamics and statistical mechanics will benefit > from replacing the unfortunate, misleading and mysterious term > "entropy" with a more familiar, meaningful and appropriate term...." > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com
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