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Article #5577Re: LEE SMOLIN AGAINST ISAAC NEWTON
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:02
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:02
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On Feb 6, 9:34 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://philipball.blogspot.com/2007/09/arthur-eddington-was-innocent-this-is.html > "With the technology then available, measuring the bending of > starlight was very challenging. And contrary to popular belief, > Newtonian physics did not predict that light would remain undeflected > - Einstein himself pointed out in 1911 that Newtonian gravity should > cause some deviation too. So the matter was not that of an all-or- > nothing shift in stars' positions, but hinged on the exact numbers." > > However Budding Young Einsteins are taught in a different way: > > http://pirsa.org/speaker/Lee_Smolin > Lee Smolin - ISSYP Keynote Session > Speaker(s): Lee Smolin > Abstract: > Date: 01/08/2007 - 1:00 pm > > http://streamer.perimeterinstitute.ca/mediasite/viewer/?peid=5f32739a-624d-4ec8-9ecc-4d44d3d16fe9 > Lee Smolin: "Newton's theory predicts that light goes in straight > lines and therefore if the star passes behind the sun, we can't see > it. Einstein's theory predicts that light is bent...." That is a mystery. Lee Smolin is silly but by no means cretin. All criminal Einsteinians know that Newton's corpuscular model of light does imply bending caused by a gravitational field, and some even teach so. Perhaps we deal with absolute dishonesty in all such cases: http://www.hawking.org.uk/lectures/dice.html Stephen Hawking: "Interestingly enough, Laplace himself wrote a paper in 1799 on how some stars could have a gravitational field so strong that light could not escape, but would be dragged back onto the star. He even calculated that a star of the same density as the Sun, but two hundred and fifty times the size, would have this property. But although Laplace may not have realised it, the same idea had been put forward 16 years earlier by a Cambridge man, John Mitchell, in a paper in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. Both Mitchell and Laplace thought of light as consisting of particles, rather like cannon balls, that could be slowed down by gravity, and made to fall back on the star. But a famous experiment, carried out by two Americans, Michelson and Morley in 1887, showed that light always travelled at a speed of one hundred and eighty six thousand miles a second, no matter where it came from. How then could gravity slow down light, and make it fall back. This was impossible, according to the then accepted ideas of space and time. But in 1915, Einstein put forward his revolutionary General Theory of Relativity." Again, Stephen Hawking is silly but by no means cretin. Even Einstein zombies now know that the Michelson-Morley experiment shows the speed of light is variable, in accordance with Newton's emission theory of light: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost universally use it as support for the light postulate of special relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE." http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Its-Roots-Banesh-Hoffmann/dp/0486406768 "Relativity and Its Roots" by Banesh Hoffmann, Chapter 5. (I do not have the text in English so I am giving it in French) Banesh Hoffmann, "La relativite, histoire d'une grande idee", Pour la Science, Paris, 1999, p. 112: "De plus, si l'on admet que la lumiere est constituee de particules, comme Einstein l'avait suggere dans son premier article, 13 semaines plus tot, le second principe parait absurde: une pierre jetee d'un train qui roule tres vite fait bien plus de degats que si on la jette d'un train a l'arret. Or, d'apres Einstein, la vitesse d'une certaine particule ne serait pas independante du mouvement du corps qui l'emet! Si nous considerons que la lumiere est composee de particules qui obeissent aux lois de Newton, ces particules se conformeront a la relativite newtonienne. Dans ce cas, il n'est pas necessaire de recourir a la contraction des longueurs, au temps local ou a la transformation de Lorentz pour expliquer l'echec de l'experience de Michelson-Morley. Einstein, comme nous l'avons vu, resista cependant a la tentation d'expliquer ces echecs a l'aide des idees newtoniennes, simples et familieres. Il introduisit son second postulat, plus ou moins evident lorsqu'on pensait en termes d'ondes dans l'ether." Translation from French: "Moreover, if one admits that light consists of particles, as Einstein had suggested in his first paper, 13 weeks earlier, the second principle seems absurd: a stone thrown from a fast- moving train causes much more damage than one thrown from a train at rest. Now, according to Einstein, the speed of a particle would not be independent of the state of motion of the emitting body! If we consider light as composed of particles that obey Newton's laws, those particles would conform to Newtonian relativity. In this case, it is not necessary to resort to length contration, local time and Lorentz transformations in explaining the negative result of the Michelson- Morley experiment. Einstein however, as we have seen, resisted the temptation to explain the negative result in terms of Newton's ideas, simple and familiar. He introduced his second postulate, more or less evident as one thinks in terms of waves in aether." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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