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PD <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 10, 11:22 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 6:02 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 9:19 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> On Sep 10, 3:50 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> On Sep 10, 8:28 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>> Clever Draper what are you talking about. The travelling clock returns
>>>>>>>> PHYSICALLY different from the clock at rest (according to Divine
>>>>>>>> Albert's Divine Idiocy),
>> 
>>>>>>> No, it doesn't. When it returns and is compared with the clock at
>>>>>>> rest, the rates of the clocks are identical.
>> 
>>>>>> Don't lie, Clever Draper. When the travelling clock is compared with
>>>>>> the clock at rest, they are PHYSICALLY different (according to Divine
>>>>>> Albert's Divine Idiocy).
>> 
>>>>> No, they show different rates when viewed from different reference
>>>>> frames, but the clocks are physically identical. This is no different
>>>>> than a car having a different kinetic energy when viewed from a
>>>>> different reference frame, but it still being a physically unchanged
>>>>> car.
>> 
>>>>> It would help if you understood what Divine Albert actually said,
>>>>> Pentcho.
>> 
>>>> Divine Albert said that, when the travelling clock returns, its hands
>>>> occupy different positions (compared with the hands of the clock at
>>>> rest).
>> 
>>>> Now that's what I call a PHYSICALLY different clock.
>> 
>>> I think it would be rather foolish to call it that.
>>> Two cars travel from Sofia to Varna, Bulgaria.
>>> One car's odometer reads 468 km, and the other car's odometer reads
>>> 497 km, when they meet again in Varna. They of course did not travel
>>> side-by-side.
>>> Now, do you conclude from the fact that they have different readings
>>> that the odometers are now (or ever were) physically different from
>>> each other?
>> 
>> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218
>> "I'm not prepared to pursue my line of inquiry any longer as I think
>> this is getting too silly!"
>> 
>> Pentcho Valev
>> pva...@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> I agree. It got quite silly when you said that two clocks that show a
> different reading when they meet again is an indicator that one of the
> clocks was now physically different.

Also thanks to our friend Henri Wilson for the trigger:
  http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PhysicallyDifferent.html

Dirk Vdm