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Article #7371Re: Rest mass
From: rick_sobie
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:10
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:10
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On Jul 21, 10:48 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Jul 21, 8:51 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 21, 8:28 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > > And I say that because if you happen to see one do that and claim that > > > > > is what you saw, who am I to say that you are nuts, if you see it do > > > > > that, see it land, then touch it, it is real and you burn your hand. > > > > > I am just saying that there is no proof of that and it seems > > > > > impossible according to our level of understanding. > > > > > You see if you can see it? If you can see the ship, it is giving off > > > > waves isn't it? > > > > So light has no resistance in the foam, but dark energy waves, other > > > > waves in the spectrum, larger waves do add up and will push against > > > > the air molecules, and the skin, from the nuclei, of your ship, will > > > > press against the skin of the quantum foam bubbles. > > > > So if you bounce radar off it, then you assume it is solid. > > > > So then if radar is bouncing off it, why is the dark energy waves of > > > > the air molecules, which is just more em waves at a different energy, > > > > less energy but the same, not also bouncing off it, and if it does, > > > > then you have a mass problem. > > > > > Again, take tow strong magnets, and hold like poles in proximity. That > > > > is what it feels like when these waves go against each other. > > > > Granted in a magnet the waves are aligned, but then you are feeling a > > > > small force there. > > > > Travel 6 thousand miles an hour in a several ton ship and do a 90. > > > > No living occupants in that ship. > > > > How could there be? > > > > Anything with mass has momentum. > > > > All that forward momentum, suddenly taking a 90? > > > > Well that is largely why scientists don't believe in flying saucers. > > > > Could you transfer that momentum, from a forward direction, then take > > > a ninety, and just turn it, so the momentum is still there, but now > > > facing another direction? > > > I a very rapidly spinning disk, you might be able to. > > > And if, you inside of that ship, were not spinning, but an outer shell > > > was spinning, maybe you wouldn't be affected. > > > Or would you be? > > > Step on the gas with your windows up. > > > Do you feel that quantum foam pressing against you? > > > Of course you do. > > > Its everywhere and you are just going through it. > > > It is so small, that it permeates the universe. > > > Since inflation, the whole thing is foam. > > > So regardless of how your ship would handle the air resistance, you > > > have momentum relative to absolute space-time. > > > Yourself. Never mind the ship. > > > The earth drags a lot of it with it as it goes through space, as does > > > the moon and all other massive bodies, but small bodies feel the force > > > of accelerated mass in the form of G's. > > > So in your ship, how do escape the foam? > > > Is it a perfect vacuum? It can't be. Nothing can withstand that > > > pressure, even black holes explode. > > > So even in your flying saucer, you are traveling through foam. > > > Well what if the hull of your ship was solid nuclei like a neutron > > > star. > > > It would weigh as much as the earth then. > > > Its not as if you can just say well maybe our physics is not the right > > > physics it is the right physics and our current models, have been put > > > to the test and never failed even from the smallest imaginable test, > > > like measuring the momentum, of the skin, of a nucleus bubble, hitting > > > the quantum foam, after you drain it. > > > Predicted, proven, and in accordance with theory. > > > So ok, the earth is plowing through the quantum foam no problem, large > > massive body, displacing a large area, and spinning to help to slough > > it off so it is not hitting it head on. > > > So your ship then, sends out waves a mile in all directions, pushing > > the quantum foam away from you displacing a large area, > > and your ship is spinning, to slough off head on wave fronts. It > > can't push the foam away but it can create a low pressure area, so > > that the foam will not bunch up, gain mass and hinder you through it. > > Well if they are real, then there must be some explanation, and maybe > > that could explain it. > > But you would see the clouds displaced if those waves were pushing the > > foam away, they would be pushing the air molecules away as the waves > > would be impacting the skin of the air and water molecules as it > > impacts the skin of the quantum foam. > > So then that leaves super fluid, capable of sloughing off the quantum > > foam in your surroundings, and you must carry your own foam under > > pressure, so you don't decompress and explode. > > The foam you carry with you, is not giving you resistance you don't > > feel G's because it is moving with you in your reference frame. > > The skin of your ship has a superfluid coating, which under all > > circumstances, will slough off the foam outside the ship so it has no > > resistance. > > Maybe even faster than light since if it can slough it off at 25 or 30 > > thousand miles per hour, the quantum foam bubbles are not being > > compressed, and if they are not being compressed, the walls of the > > bubbles wouldn't be squished in until the hit each other, which is > > where you would have a problem at the light barrier. > > So all you have to do, is find a way to use the superfluid stuff of > > the universe, to coat your ship. > > You see with the million or so reports of flying disks taking off at > incredible speeds, not a single sonic boom. > How is that possible? > Unless there is no friction between the air and their ship. > No wave front. > We need to shoot some Bose-Einstein condensate or squirt it into a > target and coat something with it and accelerate it through a liquid, > and these sorts of experiments to see how it reacts with the quantum > foam of absolute space-time. You see if you take some condensate and spin it, it reacts with the quantum foam, and vortices form in it. So even in that superfluid state, it cannot escape the effects of mass. http://www.physics.gatech.edu/chandra/RecentResults/VortexLattice_Bragg.htm And if that can't, if a superfluid that has no friction, can't escape the foams will to stay where it is in spacetime, expanding along outwardly, exerting force outward in all directions against its neighbors, which makes it want to stay put, gives it mass, which is what resists your mass when you accelerate, then what can escape it? The foam of the condensate, is reacting with foam outside of that condensate, with friction, and that friction is transferred to the foam in the condensate, causing that foam to spin, making vortices in the condensate. So the only possible thing would be the liquid between the foam bubbles whatever it is. And right now I don't think we can detect it.
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