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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: DanielSan
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:33
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Aug 5, 7:47�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Aug 5, 6:50 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 4, 10:10 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:35 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:02 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> caught.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish
>>>>>>>>>>>>> likewise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court.
>>>>>>>>>> For what kinds of cases?
>>>>>>>>> For any kind of case. A lawyer can request that a Bible be entered as
>>>>>>>>> evidence in any court case. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as
>>>>>>>>> evidence in the famous "monkey trial".
>>>>>>>>> Riobert B. Winn
>>>>>>>> A judge must be mad or loony if he were to allow for bible as
>>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>> You mean that ancient time recording can be the evidence for modern
>>>>>>>> time crime or cases?
>>>>>>>> This would also mean America is declining, at a rate faster than I
>>>>>>>> thought.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>> Well, it happened in 1934, or whenever it was. So we have that
>>>>>>> precedent in American jurisprudence.
>>>>>> In only one type of trial, if it happened at all. Your credibility is
>>>>>> nil at this point.
>>>>> Well, judges of today are very careful to make certain that only
>>>>> atheism is allowed in courtrooms.
>>>> You mean, they'll only allow secular evidence?
>>>>> That does not mean that the Bible
>>>>> is not evidence. No matter how hard atheists try, they are unable to
>>>>> make the Bible disappear. That is why it is evidence.
>>>> Atheists are not trying to make the Bible disappear.
>>>> It also isn't evidence, no matter hard you try to make it evidence.
>>>> --
>>> So you are saying that the Bible is like Hezekiah's tunnel, it does
>>> not exist.
>> Um. �No.
>   If the Bible exists, then it is evidence.  So does it exist or not?

It exists, but is not evidence.

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