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On Jul 20, 10:19 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 9:50 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 19, 10:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 19, 10:03 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 19, 12:11 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:13 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 jul, 05:29, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:31 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 jul, 16:23, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:20 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 jul, 05:42, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 1:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 7:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a very foolish mistake. �Although the two words look and sound
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar, they mean very different things.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With atheists, it is not a play on words.  They really believe that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterers are the most mature adults.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't believe anything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More lies from the Prince of Lies.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there you have it.  Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do anything, and they don't think anything.  It does not sound very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of them believe in natural explanations,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of them have a job,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and hell?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think about it!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making silly statements
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> July 2008
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amstelveen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where you are wrong, Peter.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You think rbwinn got brain? OK, has a brain but without cells...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you do not know he has mental problem, which the scientists have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not come up with any cure yet?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always assume that a person with whom I can have some kind of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation, is more or less intelligent in the same way I am.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though rbwinn sometimes posts like a moron, that does not nescesarily
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean he is one. He sort of acknowledged he was actually mocking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism, by pursuing the line "an atheist has no believe". And if that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would indeed be true, than logic requires that the atheist does not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think. For what is there to think about unless you believe something?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway I always treat posters as if they can understand what I am
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I will keep doing do, however hard those posters are trying not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> July 2008
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amstelveen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS In order to make this post I had to believe:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I exist
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You exist
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn exists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My computer exists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google exists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (my provider doesn't provide Newsgroup access)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sci.physics,cam.mist,alt.sci.physics or alt.atheism exists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> English exists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The english words mean what I think they mean
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Others can understand the English I produce.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone who doesn't believe all of this (except maybe for Google and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot sensibly reply to your post.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europeans are very existential.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somehow Robert, I do not think my philosophy is existentialism. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it rather borders on pragmatism. Discussions become rather
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningsless, unless one accepts there is a ground for it. So in order
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to exchange thought with you, I have to suppose that to be possible.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My main premise is that you are an intelligent human being, able to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand what I am saying and able to make me understand what you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are thinking.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides discussions becoming worthless if this were not the case, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it's a mater of courtesy also.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some peopleon usenet are very quick to dismiss others as inferior. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit some people have superior knowledge and/or superior
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding. But communication works best if we try and find a way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to exchange ideas without making arrogant assumptions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if someone says something that seems utterly stupid, one should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> try an find out their reason for saying it. Many times we find out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that there is less stupidity in the person than in his/her words.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I have never met an atheist who wanted to communicate.  What is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it that you want to communicate?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To my amazement, my previous reply dissappeared.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I will try to repost what I said then
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Generally I want to communicate to people, that I care about them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To you in particular I want to say that eveyone who calls himself an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> atheist, does at least want to communnicate that he is one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you get the impression that atheists do not want to communicate,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that might be because of the negative way you are approaching them. A
> >>>>>>>>>>>> liittle more open-mindedness might be sufficient for getting more
> >>>>>>>>>>>> friendly replies.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I can see, you are shouting out misconceptions about
> >>>>>>>>>>>> atheists, that lead many of them to claim you are stupid.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think you are stupid, but I do think you knowledge about
> >>>>>>>>>>>> atheism is very poor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is what I want to say to you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (apart from the general fact that I care)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, there may be an atheist somewhere who is actually trying to be a
> >>>>>>>>>>> good person just as there may be an honest lawyer somewhere, but these
> >>>>>>>>>>> people in this newsgroup are not examples of that.   These are people
> >>>>>>>>>>> who regard themselves as being more intelligent than others because
> >>>>>>>>>>> they have rejected religion.
> >>>>>>>>>> Nope, no one thinks that.  They're just more intelligent than you.
> >>>>>>>>> Well, the correct definition of intelligence is the capacity to obey
> >>>>>>>>> God.  That would seem to mean that you folks are a little bit lacking.
> >>>>>>>> And that's why everyone in alt.atheism are more intelligent than you.
> >>>>>>>> Intelligence:
> >>>>>>>> capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of
> >>>>>>>> mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts,
> >>>>>>>> meanings, etc.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> If you want to believe you are more intelligent than I am, go ahead
> >>>>>>> and believe that.  It does not mean anything to me.
> >>>>>> Then why post to alt.atheism at all?
> >>>>> I cannot see any reason to do it.  
> >>>> So, you'll stop?
> >>>>> Maybe some of the other atheists
> >>>>> could tell you why they do it.
> >>>> Because they want to.
> >>> I never started.  The only newsgroups I post to are sci.physics and
> >>> sci.physics.relativity.
> >> BZZT!  ALERT!  ALERT!  Lie detected!  Lie detected!  Commandment 9
> >> broken!  Commandment 9 broken!
>
> >> You are posting to cam.misc and alt.atheism as well.  Check your
> >> headers, numbnuts.
>
> > I do not care about the headers.  
>
> So, you admit to lying?  That's a commandment you broke, Winn.  You
> don't care about that?
>
> > Atheists are the ones complaining
> > about my posts.  
>
> No, we're complaining about your lying about not posting to alt.atheism.
>
> > If you do not want to see my posts, take sci.physics
> > and sci.physics. relativity out of the header.
>
> I don't really care where you post.  I do care that you lie about it.
>

Well, it is certainly wonderful to see an atheist who cares about
something.
Robert B. Winn