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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: DanielSan
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:18
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 20, 9:48 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 19, 10:50 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 19, 10:02 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 12:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:02:23 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:49�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a satanist, bobbie?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do not believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god of love, who in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all history.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you find to be evil?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the teachings of Jesus? �What,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. �That would include homosexuality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is necessary before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. �That includes the sin of homosexuality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. �Unless you can find where it says that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. �There is no one on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. What they do in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. Why on Earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. �I said that you are able to tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. � If you say you cannot tell it is a sin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't think it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of any reason I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow atheist Josef
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. �He was just born that way like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your wacky myths.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right and centre.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. �So is killing 12 million people.
>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is not immoral.
>>>>>>>>> Explain it to Jesus Christ. �It does not have anything to do with me.
>>>>>>>> So you are now admitting that your earlier claim was dishonest and that
>>>>>>>> you do not have any evidence that it is immoral behavior. Maybe you can
>>>>>>>> learn.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said it was immoral behavior.  That makes it immoral
>>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>> Where did he say it was immoral behavior?
>>>>> Romans 2:27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the
>>>>> woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working
>>>>> that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of
>>>>> their error which was meet.
>>>> Err, I think you might have that wrong.  My Bible says that Romans 2:27
>>>> says:
>>>> "The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will
>>>> condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision,
>>>> are a lawbreaker."
>>> Typographical error. Romans 1:27.
>> Romans 1:18-31 are things that God did to man for idolatry.  Check out
>> verse 26:
>>
>> "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women
>> exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones."
> Yes, there are women who are homosexuals also, and women who engage in
> sexual perversions with men.

Homosexuality is not a sexual perversion, though.

> 
>> PS- Romans 1:27 doesn't mention homosexuality.
> Romans 1:27 is about homosexual activity between men.

No, it isn't.

> 
>> PPS- Romans 1 was written by Paul, not Jesus.
>>
>> --
> Paul was an apostle, and whatever he said comes under the instruction
> by Christ, Whether by my voice or the voice of my servants, it is the
> same.

So, Jesus didn't say it.

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*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
*  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
*  coincides with their own desires."                *
*                                 --Susan B. Anthony *
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