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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#12282
From: BuddyThunder
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:59
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 20, 3:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 19, 7:14 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2:40 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 10:23 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:36 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 11:16 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 11:50 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 7:13 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:39 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 3:26 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 11:59 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 12:01�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Linda Fox" <linda...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:8vih74pvkgdkcmula0art55aogmd3pvne1@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:20:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A two year old is learning to lie or tell the truth. �If a two year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old sees its parents lie all the time, then the two year old is going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ho-kayyyy - tell us please, because we'd love to know, how a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two-year-old can tell its parents are lying when it does not know the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth itself. Unless it's by watching the nose grow longer and longer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda ff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This man obviously has no children.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He has absolutely no idea what a two year old can or can't do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look, Bobby, he's two.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He has no fucking clue what an atheist or a theist is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He's under my feet right now, pushing toy cars around the floor and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouting, "Beep Beep"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't even know what a lie is, so how can you expect him to recognize
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He does not even care.  All he is doing is what he sees you doing.  If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he finds lying to be more effective in getting what he wants, he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well lets hope he nenver gets involved in religion then, so he wont need to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are you going to shield him from the Lorentz equations?  If he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes to school there are books everywhere explaining the miracle of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length contraction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What miracle?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If he is smart enough, he wont need to have it explained, he will work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it out for himself: if he isn't smart enough, he will simply ignore it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as irrelevant to his life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What he will never get, is someone telling him its the Truth, and if he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't believe it, he will go to hell for eternity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scientists say that the Lorentz equations show that an object in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motion contracts in length relative to a frame of reference at rest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until at the speed of light, the object has a length of zero.  So you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are bringing up your son in a religion called atheism that has one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miracle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether it is many miracles or only one, a miracle is a miracle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes you think Lorentz equations are part of atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it the same delusion that has you repeatedly posting garbage into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most scientists of today are atheists.  I was discussing the Lorentz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equations with scientists in sci.physics.relativity when you atheists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> butted into the conversation in that newsgroup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most scientists today are atheists, yes.  But it's like saying most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people with blonde hair have blue eyes.  The two things aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually related.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you keep lying about how you started this.  One fruitcake who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claims to be both a scientist and a christian (but bizarely doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand rainbows) cross-posted originally and you waded in with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your lies and confusion into a topic that was already about proving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this god thing.  And proceeded to lie about everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now you keep using this myth you've invented about atheists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting into YOUR conversation about physics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the two could be related. Not saying they are, I think that it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely though. Just my opinion.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they are related also.  Scientists and atheists have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> religion that believes in one miracle, length contraction.
>>>>>>>>>>>> liar.
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, OK, Natural, show how the length contraction is not a miracle.
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>> Define "miracle"
>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> Miracles are manifestations of higher laws.
>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>> Define "manifestation" and "higher laws".
>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>> Al, why don't you just go to Merriam-Webster online and look them up
>>>>>>> for yourself?  If you do not understand words, just go to a
>>>>>>> dictionary.
>>>>>> Okay, had a look on dictionary.com. So do you think that your religion
>>>>>> puts you above the law?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> Above what law?
>>>> The law of the land.- Hide quoted text -
>>> No, we are supposed to be the same way Jesus Christ was.  He submitted
>>> to civil authorities and let them crucify him.
>> Oh. That's the definition of "higher law" from the dictionary. Things
>> you think are worth civil disobedience and lawlessness fighting for.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Jesus Christ did not disobey civil authorities or break any laws of
> men.  But he was above those laws the entire time.

I'm just wondering if the Feds need to feel uneasy or not.
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