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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: DanielSan
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:48
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 19, 10:50 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 19, 10:02 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 19, 12:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:02:23 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:49�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a satanist, bobbie?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do not believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god of love, who in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all history.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you find to be evil?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the teachings of Jesus? �What,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. �That would include homosexuality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is necessary before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. �That includes the sin of homosexuality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. �Unless you can find where it says that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. �There is no one on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. What they do in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. Why on Earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. �I said that you are able to tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. � If you say you cannot tell it is a sin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't think it
>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of any reason I
>>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow atheist Josef
>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. �He was just born that way like
>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right?
>>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your wacky myths.
>>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right and centre.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. �So is killing 12 million people.
>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is not immoral.
>>>>>>> Explain it to Jesus Christ. �It does not have anything to do with me.
>>>>>> So you are now admitting that your earlier claim was dishonest and that
>>>>>> you do not have any evidence that it is immoral behavior. Maybe you can
>>>>>> learn.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> Jesus Christ said it was immoral behavior.  That makes it immoral
>>>>> behavior.
>>>> Where did he say it was immoral behavior?
>>> Romans 2:27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the
>>> woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working
>>> that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of
>>> their error which was meet.
>> Err, I think you might have that wrong.  My Bible says that Romans 2:27
>> says:
>>
>> "The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will
>> condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision,
>> are a lawbreaker."
>>
> Typographical error. Romans 1:27.

Romans 1:18-31 are things that God did to man for idolatry.  Check out 
verse 26:

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women 
exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones."

PS- Romans 1:27 doesn't mention homosexuality.

PPS- Romans 1 was written by Paul, not Jesus.


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*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
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* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
*  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
*  coincides with their own desires."                *
*                                 --Susan B. Anthony *
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