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On Jul 19, 10:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 19, 10:03 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 19, 12:11 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 19, 8:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:13 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 17 jul, 05:29, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:31 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 16 jul, 16:23, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:20 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 jul, 05:42, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 1:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 7:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a very foolish mistake. �Although the two words look and sound
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar, they mean very different things.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With atheists, it is not a play on words.  They really believe that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterers are the most mature adults.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't believe anything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More lies from the Prince of Lies.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there you have it.  Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do anything, and they don't think anything.  It does not sound very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of them believe in natural explanations,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of them have a job,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and hell?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think about it!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making silly statements
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> July 2008
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amstelveen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where you are wrong, Peter.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You think rbwinn got brain? OK, has a brain but without cells...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But you do not know he has mental problem, which the scientists have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not come up with any cure yet?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I always assume that a person with whom I can have some kind of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> conversation, is more or less intelligent in the same way I am.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Though rbwinn sometimes posts like a moron, that does not nescesarily
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mean he is one. He sort of acknowledged he was actually mocking
> >>>>>>>>>>>> atheism, by pursuing the line "an atheist has no believe". And if that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> would indeed be true, than logic requires that the atheist does not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> think. For what is there to think about unless you believe something?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway I always treat posters as if they can understand what I am
> >>>>>>>>>>>> saying,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and I will keep doing do, however hard those posters are trying not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Love,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
> >>>>>>>>>>>> July 2008
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Amstelveen
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
> >>>>>>>>>>>> PS In order to make this post I had to believe:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I exist
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You exist
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn exists
> >>>>>>>>>>>> My computer exists
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google exists
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (my provider doesn't provide Newsgroup access)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sci.physics,cam.mist,alt.sci.physics or alt.atheism exists
> >>>>>>>>>>>> English exists
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The english words mean what I think they mean
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Others can understand the English I produce.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Someone who doesn't believe all of this (except maybe for Google and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn)
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> >>>>>>>>>>> Europeans are very existential.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> >>>>>>>>>> Somehow Robert, I do not think my philosophy is existentialism. I
> >>>>>>>>>> think it rather borders on pragmatism. Discussions become rather
> >>>>>>>>>> meaningsless, unless one accepts there is a ground for it. So in order
> >>>>>>>>>> to exchange thought with you, I have to suppose that to be possible.
> >>>>>>>>>> My main premise is that you are an intelligent human being, able to
> >>>>>>>>>> understand what I am saying and able to make me understand what you
> >>>>>>>>>> are thinking.
> >>>>>>>>>> Besides discussions becoming worthless if this were not the case, I
> >>>>>>>>>> think it's a mater of courtesy also.
> >>>>>>>>>> Some peopleon usenet are very quick to dismiss others as inferior. I
> >>>>>>>>>> admit some people have superior knowledge and/or superior
> >>>>>>>>>> understanding. But communication works best if we try and find a way
> >>>>>>>>>> to exchange ideas without making arrogant assumptions.
> >>>>>>>>>> Even if someone says something that seems utterly stupid, one should
> >>>>>>>>>> try an find out their reason for saying it. Many times we find out
> >>>>>>>>>> that there is less stupidity in the person than in his/her words.
> >>>>>>>>>> Love,
> >>>>>>>>> Well, I have never met an atheist who wanted to communicate.  What is
> >>>>>>>>> it that you want to communicate?
> >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> >>>>>>>> To my amazement, my previous reply dissappeared.
> >>>>>>>> So I will try to repost what I said then
> >>>>>>>> Generally I want to communicate to people, that I care about them.
> >>>>>>>> To you in particular I want to say that eveyone who calls himself an
> >>>>>>>> atheist, does at least want to communnicate that he is one.
> >>>>>>>> If you get the impression that atheists do not want to communicate,
> >>>>>>>> that might be because of the negative way you are approaching them. A
> >>>>>>>> liittle more open-mindedness might be sufficient for getting more
> >>>>>>>> friendly replies.
> >>>>>>>> As far as I can see, you are shouting out misconceptions about
> >>>>>>>> atheists, that lead many of them to claim you are stupid.
> >>>>>>>> I do not think you are stupid, but I do think you knowledge about
> >>>>>>>> atheism is very poor.
> >>>>>>>> That is what I want to say to you
> >>>>>>>> (apart from the general fact that I care)
> >>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
> >>>>>>> Well, there may be an atheist somewhere who is actually trying to be a
> >>>>>>> good person just as there may be an honest lawyer somewhere, but these
> >>>>>>> people in this newsgroup are not examples of that.   These are people
> >>>>>>> who regard themselves as being more intelligent than others because
> >>>>>>> they have rejected religion.
> >>>>>> Nope, no one thinks that.  They're just more intelligent than you.
> >>>>> Well, the correct definition of intelligence is the capacity to obey
> >>>>> God.  That would seem to mean that you folks are a little bit lacking.
> >>>> And that's why everyone in alt.atheism are more intelligent than you.
> >>>> Intelligence:
> >>>> capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of
> >>>> mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts,
> >>>> meanings, etc.
> >>>> --
> >>> If you want to believe you are more intelligent than I am, go ahead
> >>> and believe that.  It does not mean anything to me.
> >> Then why post to alt.atheism at all?
>
> > I cannot see any reason to do it.  
>
> So, you'll stop?
>
> > Maybe some of the other atheists
> > could tell you why they do it.
>
> Because they want to.
>
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> *          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
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> * "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
> *  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
> *  coincides with their own desires."                *
> *                                 --Susan B. Anthony *
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I never started.  The only newsgroups I post to are sci.physics and
sci.physics.relativity.
Robert B. Winn