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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:20
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jun 29, 2:04 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jun 27, 7:02�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> Chris Shore wrote:
>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:621f5b5c-8511-45b7-ae9f-03c8a9914fd5@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's
>>>>>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before
>>>>>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not
>>>>>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say
>>>>>> whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about
>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for
>>>>>> this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some
>>>>>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They
>>>>>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started,
>>>>>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology.
>>>>> Of course the Bibel has some history in it. And of course some of it
>>>>> is verifiable. So are various parts of various other ancient texts from
>>>>> other
>>>>> ancient historical/religious cultures. This prove absolutely nothing.
>>>> How is this difficult to understand? Three thousand posts suggest that
>>>> it is.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Well, there you go again denying the existence of Hezekiah's tunnel.
>>> The existence of Hezekiah's tunnel proves that the Bible is accurate
>>> aboput there being a conduit for water between Gihon Spring and the
>>> Pool of Siloam.
>>> Robert B. Winn
>> With respect. so what?
>>
>> No one denies that along with many other ancient texts, there is a great
>> deal of historical fact, semi fact as well as lots of other stuff.
>>
>> There is, for example, a very accurate description of pyroclastic flow -
>> something no one in modern times had really seen and understood - by a
>> Roman historian describing Pompeii. (Pliny. writing probably around the
>> time of the crucifixion: AD 35 or so)
>>
>> Does this menathat everything Pliny wrote is total historical fact? No.
>> Though much of it eems to be.,
>>
>> Does this mean we should base a religion on what he wrote? No.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Well, that would be up to you.  Atheists have all manner of false
> idols.  Their main one is money.

I thoufht tat was teh atholi church or Jews actually. Most atheists dont 
worship anything at all, apart from perhaps the rational and critical 
faculty, and even there they should realise they are on shaky ground. Cf 
Kant's  'Critique of Pure Reason'


> Robert B. Winn
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:20:45 +0100
From: The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c>
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