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Article #15980Re: Pentcho Valev and the constancy of the speed of light in special relativity
From: Androcles
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:36
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:36
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http://xkcd.com/202/ http://xkcd.com/258/ Bug report: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/Smart.htm "Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1185866336.586723.74690@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... : On 30 July, 19:41, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote: : > Pentcho Valev wrote: : > >>> Now Wormley Wormley you and Master Tom Roberts should answer the : > >>> following question: : > >>> Is the frequency shift of gh/c^2 consistent with Einstein's 1911 : > >>> equation c'=c(1+gh/c^2) and, equivalently, in the absence of a : > >>> gravitational field, consistent with the emission theory equation c'=c : > >>> +v, where c is the initial speed of photons relative to the light : > >>> source and v is the relative speed of the light source and the : > >>> observer? : > >>> Pentcho Valev : > >> You might want to correct your expression, Pentcho.... the frequency : > >> shift of gh/c^2 is just that, not a shift in the speed of light c, : > >> therefore, : > : > >> delta f / f = gh/c^2 , or : > : > >> f_new = f_orig (1+gh/c^2) : > : > > Bravo Wormley! : > : > > Pentcho Valev : > : > Now I don't want you to get this wrong again! OK? : : Wormley Wormley that is not the end of the story. Now you should : combine your equation : : f_new = f_orig (1+gh/c^2) : : and the textbook equation : : frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength) : : Master Tom Roberts often does so and obtains....yes he obtains : Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+gh/c^2). Then Master Tom Roberts : sticks his head in the sand, exposes other parts of his body and : starts shouting, mouth full of sand: : : Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Einstein's 1911 equation is wrong! Wrong! Wrong! : Wrong! Einstein's 1911 equation is wrong! Wrong! Wrong!....etc. : : Of course, Master Tom Roberts does not expect YOU to do the same. No : zombie in Einstein criminal cult is allowed to say anything like : "Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Einstein's 1911 equation is wrong!". Zombies are : only allowed to destroy heretics, sing "Divine Einstein" and go into : convulsions while singing. : : Pentcho Valev :
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