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"Surfer" <no@spam.net> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:00:17 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@HotMail.com>
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>>Nice apologia
>>    Doesn't change a bit that since they can't account for the source and
>>destination of all that energy, they have a problem with supporting their
>>claim.
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> The principle claim was "Global warming is still happening" made at a
> time when surface temperature was temporarily decreasing.
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> That claim could have been supported by accounting for the source and
> destination of energy and a hypothesis was made that energy was being
> absorbed at ocean depths greater than 900 m.
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> However, the claim can also be supported by simply showing that global
> mean surface temperature has an upward trend line, in spite of
> temporary downward fluctuations.
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> The following shows that this is the case:
> http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Global Mean Temp.jpg
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> Also, consistent with the above.
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> - Global mean troposphere temperature has an upward trend line
> http://pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/0710_graf.jpg?w=500&h=183
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> - Arctic sea ice extent has a downward trend line
> http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/n_plot_hires.png
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> - Antarctic mass has a downward trend line
> http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/20100108_Is_Antarctica_Melting.html
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> - Global sea level continues to rise
> http://sealevel.colorado.edu/current/sl_ib_ns_global.jpg
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Recent_Sea_Level_Rise.png
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>>In other words, they're saying:
>>    -    We don't know what's happening.
> Not the full details. But the general picture is known.
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>>    -    We have no handle on the data
> There is lots of data that show that global warming is real.
> You should at least look at the links above.
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>>    -    We don't even have a computer model that works properly
> There are many computer models and they appear to work as well as
> expected.
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>>    -    But we know that our conclusions are good.
> Basic physics predicts warming, computer models predict warming and
> the temperature data shows warming.
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>>That's NOT the way science is supposed to work
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> Science works by making and testing hypthesises and theories. That
> seems to be happening.
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Nice continued apoligia and attempt to shore up your
    "These are the conclusions on which we base our facts.."